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Re:The Bain Capital Files by ck2 on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @11:08PM (#4446894)
I don't care if you are progressive or conservative, dem or repub, if you are running for president I want to see a full disclosure of your business and financial dealings, years of tax returns (which can be forged anyway because 3rd party cannot authenticate with the IRS) and even a drug test.

Yes, a drug test and full physical beforehand. This is the most powerful office in the land, not some book promotion tour.

Re:The Bain Capital Files by JasonFruit on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @11:16PM (#4446904)
If all your candidates must be squeaky clean, you're probably ruling out some of the most able. The most law-abiding, unquestioningly tax-paying, physically-fit candidate is probably not the person who has the best understanding of and instinct for foreign affairs, the most ability to inspire, cajole, and back-scratchingly motivate Congresspeople to cooperate with important ideas, and the most ability to quickly to make difficult decisions in no-win situations.
Re:The Bain Capital Files by ck2 on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @11:18PM (#4446913)
They don't have to be squeaky clean, they just have to have full disclosure.

Heck, look at the lineup before the final nomination this year - every candidate (and the final nomination) had serious issues and people voted for them anyway, so squeaky clean is not the problem - full disclosure is.

Re:The Bain Capital Files by jamesbritt on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @11:30PM (#4446943)
If all your candidates must be squeaky clean, you're probably ruling out some of the most able.

If more people came to see that perfectly capable people are often not squeaky clean in largely irrelevant matters we would all be better off.

Imagine a country where politicians don't live in fear that the public might learn they sometimes spark a bong, or once cheated on their spouse, or like people of the same gender as themselves from time to time.

Re:The Bain Capital Files by sailfrog on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @11:49PM (#4447006)
I guess it really depends on your definition of irrelevant. Personally I have no problem with candidates who have a storied past, since I seriously doubt they have made as many ill-informed decisions as I have. For some reason though I have a hard time accepting Romney's refusal to release tax returns before 2010 as legit. Maybe I just relate better with the type of candidate that smokes pot than the type that abuses offshore accounts :P
Re:The Bain Capital Files by bct on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @12:42AM (#4447133)
You really think candidates are (or could be) chosen based on anything even remotely related to those abilities?
Re:The Bain Capital Files by antidaily on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @11:19PM (#4446915)
unquestioningly tax-paying?
Re:The Bain Capital Files by JasonFruit on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @11:34PM (#4446962)
Years of tax returns that have a low percentage are an opportunity for attack ads even if they're strictly legal. It's politic but unwise to pay more than you would strictly have to.
Re:The Bain Capital Files by Jach on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @04:09AM (#4447527)
Returning to your "quick decisions in no-win scenarios", there are going to be attack ads based on whether Romney does and what they contain or whether he doesn't and what they might contain, and it's easy to come up with possible contents likely or unlikely. Maybe it's just me that thinks he'd be better served by the path of openness in this instance.

Of course, it's just his taxes, and I feel like the only reasoning people are upset with Romney over this is that they are thinking "What's he hiding? If you have nothing to hide..." which most of us probably dismiss as bad thinking in the usual context. If the People want to make it a law for candidates to disclose their tax information, let it be done, right now he's just breaking a 40 year old precedent. (It seems McCain did the same thing and only released two years--was there an outcry about that? I don't remember, there were so many other juicier attacks. If "you're rich!" is the only thing they can attack you on you're doing alright.)

Re:The Bain Capital Files by firebones on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @01:08AM (#4447179)
In other words, the expected value of opacity is greater than the expected value of transparency. Got it.
Re:The Bain Capital Files by mudil on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:39AM (#4447476)
I say unquestioningly tax-paying. If he did not pay his fair share of taxes wouldn't he have been under IRS investigation years ago?
Re:The Bain Capital Files by sailfrog on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @11:41PM (#4446990)
I agree with regard to full disclosure. The unfortunate reality is that what might normally be considered a past indiscretion can shred a potential candidate's chances at success, mostly thanks to the American electorate's unrealistic expectations. I guess it all depends on what you consider an acceptable indiscretion, but without full disclosure you really can't know for sure.
Re:The Bain Capital Files by Spooky23 on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @07:10AM (#4447957)
That's absurd -- many politicians are attorneys, and are ethically obligated to protect the identities of their clients.

I have worked for a government entity in a policy making role, and one of my obligations was to annually file a detail of my investments, business dealings and other things in a manner that balances the public's need to be assured of my integrity with my need for privacy in my affairs.

Disclosure of medical data is an even more egregious ethical and privacy violation. Why should I as a political figure need to publicly disclose my use of narcotics to manage pain from a chronic medical condition? Why should I need disclose the use of drugs that imply a potentially embarrassing medical condition?

Medical diagnoses affect people's view of people. I don't want otherwise good people excluded from public service because they are HIV positive.

Re:The Bain Capital Files by ck2 on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @11:15AM (#4448969)
You are entitled not to disclose all of that - you just cannot run for president with the finger on the button, command the military without congressional approval, and the ability to stack the supreme court.

It's a job application - for the most powerful position in the USA, arguably the world. I want a decade of financial history, credit check, drug test, last five places you own/lived, etc.

Re:The Bain Capital Files by adrianbravo on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @11:36PM (#4446976)
Will what is revealed make a difference in how anyone plans to vote?
Re:The Bain Capital Files by eupharis on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @01:12AM (#4447189)
Perhaps not to you. Depends on where you stand on personal vs. political.

Personal: how much do your impressions of a candidate's personal qualities (trustworthiness, courage, honor, etc.) determine your vote.

Political: how much do your political desires, i.e., policies the candidates have pledged to adopt that will influence our interpersonal (political) lives (taxes, social services, regulations, etc.) determine your vote.

Because of your the question, I'm guessing your vote is determined by the political.

The most cynical about politics (e.g., all politicians are corrupt) tend to be the most political.

And vice versa: the candidate will choose the right thing to do, because he is so intelligent, trustworthy, knowledgable, honorable, etc., etc. It may not be what I think is the right thing to do, but he is so intelligent, trustworthy, knowledgable, honorable, etc., etc., he will know better than me.

I feel like Hacker News is probably dominated by political voters. But not everyone feels the same as Hacker News habituants. And to play devil's advocate, if I were faced with the collapse of the financial system in 2008, and I were told "Decide." My response would be, "Err." I might not want to be so political in my thinking. I might just want to choose someone who seems great and say, "Deal with it."

And of course, as with so many determinations made by us wonderful beings called humans, it is almost never an either/or determination, and there is a rich interplay between the two that is hard to fathom let alone to model. If you fundamentally don't trust a person, it won't matter how much their political agenda matches your own. Also, "the personal is political."