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Re:Tesla's Cybertruck flop is historic. The brand collapse i... by gruez on Friday July 04, 2025 @06:22PM (#44468392)
>I remember when the "Tesla source code" leaked and I was a decent programmer, so I was curious and looked through some of the posted code... I have never sat in a moving Tesla vehicle since that day. Even if that code never drove a mile, the fact someone writing code for them saved it somewhere as progress scared me.

Have you looked at other car manufacturers' source code? AFAIK Toyota's source code got scrutinized as a result of the unintended acceleration lawsuits, and it was also criticized for sloppy coding.

edit: https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_...

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Re:Tesla's Cybertruck flop is historic. The brand collapse i... by laweijfmvo on Friday July 04, 2025 @06:24PM (#44468408)
probably the same can be said for any car company, any tech company, any company of sufficient size and most small companies too. looking at you Boeing!
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Re:Tesla's Cybertruck flop is historic. The brand collapse i... by leakycap on Friday July 04, 2025 @06:32PM (#44468469)
What other examples could we look at? Boeing seems like low hanging fruit but as I try to think of other examples it is hard.

I can't think of another transport/medical/safety related software leak that left the same kind of impression on me. I was somewhat considering a Tesla back then, but the source code stopped me from that idea.

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Re:Tesla's Cybertruck flop is historic. The brand collapse i... by tim333 on Saturday July 05, 2025 @08:13AM (#44472237)
It's interesting that the recent AI 171 crash may be software related. At least if looks so far that both engines were shut down at the same time which happened once before on a 787 due to the "Thrust Control Malfunction Accommodation" system. Time will tell.
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Re:Tesla's Cybertruck flop is historic. The brand collapse i... by Zigurd on Saturday July 05, 2025 @02:04PM (#44474416)
There are high reliability providers of software for mission critical tasks. The egregiousness with which Tesla pursues, cowboy engineering is one reason why Green Hills, which makes mission critical RTOSs, CEO Dan O'Dowd has created demonstrations of the dangers of Tesla's software.

There are standards for this type of software and there are products that meet those standards. Maybe we need different standards for software that's meant to blow something up versus software that avoids sudden energetic outcomes, but these aren't new problems and there's no excuse for not establishing, updating, and meeting standards.

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Re:Tesla's Cybertruck flop is historic. The brand collapse i... by general1726 on Saturday July 05, 2025 @03:29PM (#44474943)
Well if you mean MCAS, then coding was not a main issue, but the fact that system expected 2 sensors to deduce malfunction while management decided to put there only 1 sensor and 2 only as a premium. Then MCAS system had no way how to deduce if 1 input sensor is sending correct data or garbage.
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Re:Tesla's Cybertruck flop is historic. The brand collapse i... by vincekerrazzi on Saturday July 05, 2025 @05:07PM (#44475542)
Unfortunately you have a very good point. After working with several car manufacturers I’ve come to the conclusion that very few good software engineers exist there.

Some of the most horrifying code and technical designs I’ve ever seen came out of Stellantis, GM, Ford, Toyota and Tesla.

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