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Re:Opening up ‘Zero-Knowledge Proof’ technology by endgame on Thursday July 03, 2025 @08:21PM (#44460204)
https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/issues/10407#iss...

> To be very honest here, you risk having KeePassXC blocked by relying parties

Even if the bigtechs don't "officially" make the passkey standards require bigtech involvement, it seems very likely to me that conservative businesses like banks will only accept bigtech implementations. And then you're sunk.

Similarly, look at how OpenID turned into "Sign in with AppleGooFaceSoft".

This ZKP+hardware secure element stuff seems even worse, because how are you going to make it work on old hardware, or with free software, or with open devices?

Re:Opening up ‘Zero-Knowledge Proof’ technology by coldpie on Friday July 04, 2025 @07:43AM (#44463658)
> Even if the bigtechs don't "officially" make the passkey standards require bigtech involvement, it seems very likely to me that conservative businesses like banks will only accept bigtech implementations.

Indeed. It's not a theoretical concern, either. The spec authors themselves actually maintain a "naughty client list": https://passkeys.dev/docs/reference/known-issues/

> This ZKP+hardware secure element stuff seems even worse, because how are you going to make it work on old hardware, or with free software, or with open devices?

I don't love it, but I actually do see an argument that this kind of proof-of-property stuff really does belong in a secure area, backed by approved software. It is making government-backed, legal claims about a person or entity. Unlike with Passkeys, it's not really "your" data, rather it's a way for the government to provide legally-backed information to someone, without the government actually having to be in the loop.

Where the ZKP spec authors goofed was in not considering the wallet provider to be a party in the transaction. That third party may have interests that are not aligned with the user's.