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Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by zahlman on Monday June 30, 2025 @04:29PM (#44427505)
Or you could use an actual program on a desktop computer to do it. When did everyone forget how that works?
Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by anonymars on Monday June 30, 2025 @05:03PM (#44427843)
Use a program on a desktop computer to do what exactly?
Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by zahlman on Monday June 30, 2025 @05:58PM (#44428348)
To communicate with friends and family.
Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by anonymars on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @12:11AM (#44430532)
"I don't understand why people complain about that AT&T telephone company monopoly, when they could just write each other letters. When did people forget how to do that?"
Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by zahlman on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @10:46AM (#44434405)
Telephone calls allow for near-instantaneous communication using voice while letters can (and could) take days to arrive and rely on writing. There is no comparison with using a computer vs. a cell phone to send messages over the Internet. It's even generally using all the same network protocols.
Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by anonymars on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @12:55PM (#44435848)
> There is no comparison with using a computer vs. a cell phone to send messages over the Internet.

"Communicate outside the home" is a pretty vast difference

> It's even generally using all the same network protocols.

This whole thread was about proprietary iMessage

Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by zahlman on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @07:22PM (#44438847)
> "Communicate outside the home" is a pretty vast difference

It's genuinely baffling to me that people actually see things this way. When there is a social reason to be outside the house, I take that as a reason not to be staring at a glowing rectangle.

Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by Dessesaf on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @09:03AM (#44443240)
Ok, and what about the overwhelming majority of reasons to be outside the house, which are not social reasons?

It's a bit silly to abandon all contact with the world just because you have to wait for the doctor, go grocery shopping, sit in the train, etc.

Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by anton-c on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @10:12AM (#44443981)
The world got by just fine when answering machines and paper maps were the norm.

What is silly about going to do an errand without distractions? It's more efficient in my experience. I wont look up stuff in the store or answer texts that in reality can totally wait. I've yet to have something happen where not having my phone lead to me missing some big emergency or event.

Going out into the world is in fact the opposite of abandoning all contact, it's directly interfacing. According to your comment, you equated your world with access to your phone.

Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by anonymars on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @02:53PM (#44447449)
The world got along fine (better, probably) without the internet, yet here we all are.

> What is silly about going to do an errand without distractions? It's more efficient in my experience. I wont look up stuff in the store or answer texts that in reality can totally wait. I've yet to have something happen where not having my phone lead to me missing some big emergency or event. > Going out into the world is in fact the opposite of abandoning all contact, it's directly interfacing. According to your comment, you equated your world with access to your phone.

I have a hard time believing this isn't a disingenuous take just for the sake of arguing. "Hey honey, while you're at the grocery store, could you pick up some milk?" "Hey, I'm finishing up at the doctor, any chance you want to meet for lunch?"

Are we really saying we can't understand the difference between a computer and a cellphone? Are we really unable to imagine any reason why communicating outside the home can be a useful ability? That the ability to do something doesn't mean it is the only way to do something, nor does it mean it has to be done that way at all times in all situations?

Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by zahlman on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:10PM (#44448873)
> It's a bit silly to abandon all contact with the world just because you have to wait for the doctor, go grocery shopping, sit in the train, etc.

On the contrary, I find it liberating, and I hate the idea of people trying to compel me to maintain contact through those situations.