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Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by m463 on Monday June 30, 2025 @04:23PM (#44427425)
Actually, iMessage happily harms apple customers all the time.

I know many MANY people who have lost chats with their loved ones (especially deceased ones) because there is no way to export and save their conversations.

I think this should be as easy as saving photos, which apple makes (somewhat) easier to export.

Back to email, it is pretty horrible to set up my local email server on an apple device. You have to go through these dialogs, apple servers have to be contacted (for "redirection"), and I usually barely get it working.

Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by msgodel on Monday June 30, 2025 @04:27PM (#44427478)
The inability to manipulate most objects on iOS in any meaningful way is a big part of what killed it for me. Everything on my network is just an scp away now. No dumb hacks to deal with some retarded Cupertino PM's idea of how computing should work.

No escape hatches turns walled gardens first into a jail and then into a brig on a sinking ship.

Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by bgnn on Monday June 30, 2025 @05:17PM (#44427973)
This drives me crazy on iPad! Such a missed opportunity to dominate personal laptop market is given up buy horrible UX.
Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by tomhow on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @01:51AM (#44430979)
> No dumb hacks to deal with some retarded Cupertino PM's idea of how computing should work

You can't comment like this on Hacker News, no matter how right you are or think you are. It's not what HN is for and it destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Proton joins suit against Apple for predatory practices by bobbylarrybobby on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @10:55AM (#44434506)
FWIW, on a Mac you can just query the iMessage database — it's just a plain old sqlite file sitting somewhere on disk.