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Re:BusyBeaver(6) Is Quite Large by raincole on Sunday June 29, 2025 @08:41AM (#44412643)
I'm not sure what you mean. First of all BB(n) is a function so it has value(s).

And in theory we can prove BB(748)=X, where X is a plain big natural number, as long as we just assume ZFC is consistent. It's practically impossible, but not fundamentally impossible like proving Con(ZFC) in ZFC itself.

Re:BusyBeaver(6) Is Quite Large by gpm on Sunday June 29, 2025 @09:53AM (#44413172)
Proving BB(748)=X for some concrete X in ZFC is equivalent to proving Con(ZFC) in ZFC.
Re:BusyBeaver(6) Is Quite Large by raincole on Sunday June 29, 2025 @09:56AM (#44413196)
Yes, but I'm not "proving BB(748)=X in ZFC" in my previous comment.

I clearly stated:

> as long as we assume ZFC is consistent

In other words, I'm talking about proving BB(748)=X in ZFC+Con(ZFC), which is not fundamentally impossible. It's practically impossible simply because you need to reason out the sheer amount of TMs with 748 states.

Re:BusyBeaver(6) Is Quite Large by gpm on Sunday June 29, 2025 @11:02AM (#44413714)
Is there reason to believe that there's not a similarly sized turing machine that halts iff Con(ZFC + Con(ZFC)) (which is independent of ZFC+Con(ZFC) by godel's)?

Certainly there's some sized machine that does that... it seems to me that all you're doing is playing games with adding axioms to maybe change the exact value of "748"... and I don't even see that you've established that you've successfully changed it.

Re:BusyBeaver(6) Is Quite Large by raincole on Sunday June 29, 2025 @05:22PM (#44416535)
Well, yes, my previous comment was sloppy. Of course it's also possible that 748 is such a high upper limit that we can add a lot of axioms to ZFC and BB(748) is still independent to it. We just don't know it.
Re:BusyBeaver(6) Is Quite Large by raincole on Sunday June 29, 2025 @03:37PM (#44415709)
(Late Edit: I used 'assume' sloppily here. What I meant was that we need to add Con(ZFC) into our axiom systems.)