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Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by YZF on Saturday June 28, 2025 @01:31PM (#44406492)
Herzl's choice of words in his 1902 letter to Cecil Rhodes is barely relevant to the current day reality. We can debate why Herzl chose a certain language and what it meant but the only thing that's certain is that this snippet is used to support a certain narrative and the image invoked by this narrative is completely false.

The Jewish connection to Israel or Zion is fundamental. It is part of Jewish identity. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion

"The Jewish longing for Zion, starting with the deportation and enslavement of Jews during the Babylonian captivity, was adopted as a metaphor by Christian black slaves in the United States.[citation needed][year needed] Thus, Zion symbolizes a longing by wandering peoples for a safe homeland. This could be an actual place such as Ethiopia for Rastafari or Israel for the Jews. Rastafari, while not identifying as "Jews", identify themselves and Africa as Zion. Specifically, Ethiopia is acknowledged as the mountains of Zion. Further, Rastafari ontology views all Africans as God's Chosen People. This differs from Judaic narratives.[22]"

We also shouldn't forget pre 1948 proportions of Arabs vs. Jews was partly a result of ethnic cleansing of Jews from the area. Hebron, Jerusalem, Gaza, Safed and others used to have a lot more Jewish people:

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-befor...

The other thing we shouldn't forget is the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from the rest of the middle east, Egypt, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, Syria all used to have large Jewish communities. Not only were they mostly expelled under violence or the threat of violence, after lives under discrimination for centuries, they were also robbed of their land and possessions. Typical treatment of Jewish people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_...

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by Yeul on Saturday June 28, 2025 @04:00PM (#44407685)
There are a lot of Jews that have built their lives in Western countries and are not keen on joining a ultra orthodox ethno state.

Always good to remember that most Jews aren't religious crazies- although the crazies breed faster unfortunately.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by YZF on Saturday June 28, 2025 @08:01PM (#44409204)
And history tells us that at some point those Jews are going to be a target. Other than the anomaly of the last 50 years or so. It wasn't that long ago that Jews in the US could not be members of golf clubs or were otherwise discriminated against. Antisemitism is on the rise again. If you think you can somehow magically decouple Jewish existence from Zion/Israel then think again. I've also built my life in a western country and antisemitism runs deep below the surface. Up until recently expressing that was frowned upon but seems that's changing.

I mean we know you guys run the media, control the money, run the US government, and fire space lasers from Mars. It's all fun and game until they burn your house and worse.

I'm also worried about Israel in many ways (re: ultra-orthodox ethno state) but if you think that living in Christian states or states of other ethnicity is somehow safer I'm not too sure about that. Even the European Jews that thought they were just Europeans found out they're not. And that story has repeated throughout history. To me a successful, democratic, moral, and Jewish, Israel is important part of the future of the Jewish people. And I'm not going to join the mob that wants it destroyed.