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Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by DragonStrength on Saturday June 28, 2025 @07:33AM (#44403912)
No one is pretending this is about terrorism now. They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Some outside the US miss that because few countries would have given foreign students this much room for activism in the first place.
Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by tuyguntn on Saturday June 28, 2025 @08:00AM (#44404040)
Do you think US embassy will reject political activism if it was against China?
Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by efitz on Saturday June 28, 2025 @09:46AM (#44404667)
Do you think you would be granted a visa by China if your social media was full of anti-China rhetoric?
Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by hearsathought on Saturday June 28, 2025 @11:25AM (#44405362)
> Do you think you would be granted a visa by China if your social media was full of anti-China rhetoric?

I bet you'd be granted a visa by china if your social media was full of anti-israel rhetoric though...

Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by tuyguntn on Saturday June 28, 2025 @11:32AM (#44405410)
it's strange that you are comparing democracy with a communism.

Wasn't the whole premise of democracy to express yourself freely and the core idea was "rule by the people"?

If country claims that they are democracy, then they should give people to add their opinion to rule the country, China is following its own core idea, ruled by a single party.

Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by dfxm12 on Saturday June 28, 2025 @10:10AM (#44404811)
People have been detained/face deportation for activism against other foreign countries, so why not? The point is: if the admin wants you gone, or doesn't want to let you in, they'll use anything as pretense.
Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by mandmandam on Saturday June 28, 2025 @08:33AM (#44404238)
> They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students.

Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expects respect for those from the US any more.

Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by mensetmanusman on Saturday June 28, 2025 @09:31AM (#44404594)
Except the US views it as its right to assemble who it wants to allow in. Same right, different perspective.
Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by pastage on Saturday June 28, 2025 @10:30AM (#44404968)
This is not remotely true. Of course it is denied if you can classify it as violent.
Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by happymellon on Saturday June 28, 2025 @09:55AM (#44404724)
How so?

It doesnt even seem remotely the same.

That would be the right to prevent assembly.

Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by mensetmanusman on Saturday June 28, 2025 @10:11AM (#44404828)
A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling.

Assembly amongst all groups simultaneously isn’t possible with humans who are not bifurcating bosons.

Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by happymellon on Saturday June 28, 2025 @01:01PM (#44406247)
That doesn't make sense.

Just because you used a word in a sentence doesn't make it so.

> A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling.

They haven't prevented anything. Just because a team assembled, does not exclude others from being there.

They can exclude, of course, but that has nothing to do with the assembly.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/assembl...

> uncountable noun

> When you refer to rights of assembly or restrictions on assembly, you are referring to the legal right that people have to gather together

It's the gathering thats the assembly, not the exclusion. You just made that up.

Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by mindslight on Saturday June 28, 2025 @12:47PM (#44406111)
No, "the US" does not. Maybe the fascists currently in power are twisting words like that though, just as they twist every other lofty ideal into a rationalization for hurting people.
Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday June 28, 2025 @12:25PM (#44405909)
> a universal human right

This concept has been dead outside Europe since at least the 1990s. (It never found purchase in Russia, China or India.)

Re:Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa s... by mandmandam on Saturday June 28, 2025 @07:29PM (#44409043)
... That's not remotely true. Hypocrisy on the issue of human rights doesn't negate their existence in frameworks or as ideals that have motivated real progress. And, ignorance of human rights work outside of Europe doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Finally, Europe doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to human rights hypocrisy either, even if they're some of the best of a bad lot.