News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Microsoft Releases Classic MS-DOS Editor for Linux Writte... by IshKebab on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @06:15AM (#44375556)
Because vi has all the usability of a keyboard made out of hedgehogs.
Re:Microsoft Releases Classic MS-DOS Editor for Linux Writte... by s1mplicissimus on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @08:27AM (#44376497)
I wouldn't consider vi usability to be overall bad. Sure, affordance ("is it easy grasp which moves i can make without affording much cognitive effort?") is terrible.

Setting up a decent environment is also a huge pain to get started with, but nowadays you can just hop into a prewarmed pool with premade setups like Normalvim or LunarVim.

But usability is not just "is it easy to learn", it's also "once i know it, how hard is it to use"

Once the moves are ingrained in your (muscle-)memory it becomes so incredibly efficient. di{, dat, yaf etc. are just the low hanging fruit, once you start with regex, macros and plugins the fun really begins.

Re:Microsoft Releases Classic MS-DOS Editor for Linux Writte... by sneak on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @02:40PM (#44380564)
vi isn’t usable. it sucks. but the facts are it’s installed everywhere and you can learn how to use it in 10-15 minutes. easier to patch your ignorance of basic vi than it is to install software on every machine you’ll ever edit on.