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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by mdavid626 on Monday June 23, 2025 @08:55AM (#44355335)
This is a very skewed view of the political landscape. Would be nice to forget this pro/anti Russia narrative. Please also note that AfD has become the strongest party in Germany. Sure, firewalled, but question is, for how long.
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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by bc569a80a344f9c on Monday June 23, 2025 @08:59AM (#44355366)
> Please also note that AfD has become the strongest party in Germany

It has not. They got 20% in the last Bundestag election, compared to 28.4% for CDU. Unless they get significantly stronger it seems very unlikely that anyone wants to be in a coalition with them on the short or medium horizon.

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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by sharpshadow on Monday June 23, 2025 @09:07AM (#44355441)
In the latest polls they surpassed the CDU. It was the moment when Merz announced 1 Trillion money rain after campaign to not make new debts.
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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by bc569a80a344f9c on Monday June 23, 2025 @09:13AM (#44355498)
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

No, they haven't. Not a single poll has them surpassing the CDU.

I genuinely don't understand why you'd lie about something like that. It's trivial to look it up.

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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by mdavid626 on Monday June 23, 2025 @10:46AM (#44356355)
When someone has a different opinion, it doesn’t mean they are lying. Please stop this thinking. Also would make sense to read carefully. AfD has more votes in the polls than CDU (not the union CDU/CSU! - which are essentially two parties).
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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by fabian2k on Monday June 23, 2025 @12:09PM (#44357209)
For this kind of comparison you have to treat CDU/CSU as a single party. They're always counted as one in national polls. It is very confusing and misleading to treat them separately in this kind of national comparison.
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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by sharpshadow on Tuesday June 24, 2025 @01:22AM (#44363062)
There are a couple of different polls and I really don’t care about them, just remembered that there was a moment when AFD surpassed CDU[0] and if I recall correctly it was when Merz announced the big debt package.

0. https://politpro.eu/de/deutschland/wahlumfragen/63948/forsa/...

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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by eqvinox on Monday June 23, 2025 @09:13AM (#44355493)
Polls != 'strongest' party. You need actual power for that latter label. Which is not far off for the AfD, but really not there right now.

If/when the coalition starts infighting, then…

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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by mdavid626 on Monday June 23, 2025 @10:54AM (#44356441)
I’m not sure what to say. We can talk about the exact meaning of the words, but it doesn’t really matter. I’m not saying AfD is good or bad, just telling you the facts. AfD surpassed CDU (not the union!) in the latest polls. In the last elections they “won” in east Germany. You can’t block a party, if half the country votes for it. Let’s see what’s coming.
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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by eqvinox on Monday June 23, 2025 @01:19PM (#44357925)
I'm not even disagreeing, just right now the AfD does not have actual power yet. They cannot make federal laws or decide policy.

They probably will be able to do that either after the next election or after the government coalition collapses.

But as of now all they can do is b*tch and moan.

Btw, who says you can't block a party just because half the country voted for them? You can't wish the sentiment away, yes, but you can totally force them to rebuild the party infrastructure. Again and again, if needed, if they keep making an illegal extremist party.

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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by mdavid626 on Monday June 23, 2025 @10:48AM (#44356376)
CDU/CSU got 28%, CSU around 5%. The latest polls indicate AfD surpassing CDU (not the union!).
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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by kadrian12 on Monday June 23, 2025 @08:59AM (#44355365)
Not true. CDU/CSU was the strongest party in the last election. Stick to the facts, please.
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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by mdavid626 on Monday June 23, 2025 @10:43AM (#44356321)
Yes, exactly, stick to the facts! Read my comment again, I haven’t said anything about the last election. If you check the latest polls, AfD surpassed CDU (not the union CDU/CSU!).
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