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Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by krustyburger on Friday June 20, 2025 @11:50AM (#44328887)
I’m not sure neoliberal and “lefty” are anywhere near synonyms either.
Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by PaulHoule on Friday June 20, 2025 @11:53AM (#44328927)
They aren't. But I find something amusing that The Economist (which I subscribe to) is frequently considered left-leaning

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist

whereas I see it what the center-right would be if we had a healthy media/political environment.

Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by kristjansson on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:05PM (#44329063)
Impugns the source(s) trying to place them on the left-right axis more than anything.
Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by tekla on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:05PM (#44329073)
They are classical liberal, which is impossible to place in the current US Left-Right spectrum because politics have become even dumber than previously thought possible
Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by PaulHoule on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:24PM (#44329310)
… politics aren’t just dumb in the US. The Economist is politically homeless these days and has little faith in Labor, Tories or Lib Dems.
Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by billfor on Friday June 20, 2025 @04:22PM (#44331711)
Count how many times they use hard-left vs hard-right, or how many times they use hard-right vs any other kind of right.
Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by turnsout on Friday June 20, 2025 @11:54AM (#44328942)
It's confusing, but "liberal" and "neoliberal" are in fact antonyms.
Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by PaulHoule on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:04PM (#44329058)
Not really. Ever seen a "liberal" liberate or a "conservative" conserve?

The term got its current usage when FDR came in because at that time it was a matter of "burn it all down" (real socialism) vs "fix the private property system around the margins".

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by gsf_emergency_2 on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:11PM (#44343132)
I think by liberal he meant the Edwardian liberal. It's the predominant meaning of that label in the US
Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by recursive on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:29PM (#44329368)
Based on this comment tree, I'm tempted to believe neither of them mean anything. Or at least very few people are aware of whatever real definition they have. But many people have opinions about it.
Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by tekla on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:34PM (#44329446)
They do mean things, but most who toss the words around only use it to mean "thing that I don't like"
Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by rsynnott on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:57PM (#44329672)
> Or at least very few people are aware of whatever real definition they have

I mean, like many things, the meaning of 'liberal' has shifted over the last few centuries, and always differed somewhat between regions anyway. Words in English mean what people use them to mean.

Re:Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success by rsynnott on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:49PM (#44329598)
They're not _that_ far off being antonyms, really; neoliberalism certainly shares distant origins with the left, but that's about as far as it goes.