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Re:Honda Conducts Successful Launch and Landing of Experimen... by bigiain on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @12:19AM (#44306625)
> When it becomes possible to buy launch services from another vendor which are comparable (not necessarily cheaper, just comparable) without the baggage of the damage Elon has done, SpaceX will be in a tougher spot.

And I suspect that's doubly true for launch customers outside the US.

Re:Honda Conducts Successful Launch and Landing of Experimen... by bbarnett on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @08:15AM (#44309205)
I hate to derail into the political, but that's already been done so I'll input an alternate viewpoint.

Most people I know in Canada, don't currently think poorly of Elon. Note the conditional, currently. They think poorly of Trump, and the entire republican party for talking about, and allowing Trump to talk about annexation. (For example, congress purposefully extending all of Trump's emergency executive orders for the rest of the year, when they'd normally need 90 days + review of congress)

However this isn't about US "team" politics, where even your news talks about "red states" and "blue states". This is simply about "Is this thing good or bad for Canada".

For example, while tariffs are seen as just plain dumb, they're not seen as hostile to Canada, just a shift in US policy. It's the speed of tariff change that's the biggest concern. Put another way, most of the world has no idea or cares for US "team" politics, and frankly we don't understand or even know what drives most US political discussion. It all seems like senseless drivel.

Now to be fair, I'm sure anyone peering in at any political argument from outside, ends up with this feeling. If you've even been visiting a friend, and their family gets into an argument, it's just embarrassing and often laden with decades of back-history, for which you have no context or understanding.

Couple that with the fact that Canada has multiple political parties, not just two, especially at the provincial level. This means we're more accustomed to people working with those they normally do not want to, in order to find a cooperative means to an end. You can see cases in the past where a minority government/party remains in power, by the support of a separatist party. Yes, sometimes people wanting to separate from the country, vote with you and work with you on key topics.

And this sort of logic is quite true for most European nations too.

So not only do those arguments the US seems to have with in its team dynamic seem super weird (only two often completely opposite viewpoints, with no compromise), we don't "get" all the historical chuff that comes along with those arguments.

So back to Elon. Was Canada upset a Elon? Yes just as Canada was, and is still upset at the entire US. But there's upset, and then there's upset. And from what I see here, that has faded against Musk.

After all, none of the US "team" arguments meant anything to Canada. We were extremely massively upset at Trump and those in Congress for not reigning him in about annexation. The rest?

Well that's internal US strife, which we don't even understand. For context, all the layoffs in your government via Musk seemed excessive, but the concept of trying to save money seemed good. Then there was all this undertone of "oh, but he's doing it for evil reasons", with reasons no foreigner could even understand without decades of thinking in terms of "team politics".

This is a bit of a blather, but I guess I'm trying to say that don't count on internal US team politics being the same viewpoint that other countries will have.

And most of this isn't a knock against the US. For example, as I've said above, does the average American understand what drives the dynamic between the Bloc Quebecois, separation, while also supporting Canada in parallel? Or the fact that we have a separatist part in our federal parliament? I assure you, no Wikipedia article or summary will get you even close to viewing from a Canadian viewpoint.

Re:Honda Conducts Successful Launch and Landing of Experimen... by cptroot on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @09:39PM (#44314708)
For what it's worth, saying "Musk was trying to save money" is taking a habitual liar at his word
Re:Honda Conducts Successful Launch and Landing of Experimen... by andrewflnr on Thursday June 19, 2025 @01:05AM (#44315603)
Did you and your friends not see what Musk did at Trump's inauguration?
Re:Honda Conducts Successful Launch and Landing of Experimen... by bbarnett on Friday June 20, 2025 @10:41AM (#44328166)
You honestly should be ashamed of yourself.

I've looked at the video of him before, during, and after this supposed salute. It looked nothing like it. Nothing. If that was a nazi salute, then everyone on the planet has done the same.

This trend to denigrate and belittle by any means possible, attempt to quote people out of context, or presume worst intentions, or play with camera angles to get one thing to look as another, or just plain interpret everything through a dark lens, is abhorrent. Don't embrace this trend.

If I am to be mad at Musk, I will do so for precise things he has done. Not imagined, concocted works of fantasy.

Re:Honda Conducts Successful Launch and Landing of Experimen... by andrewflnr on Saturday June 21, 2025 @01:39AM (#44334829)
Did we see the same video? It looked plenty clear to me. Including when he turned around and did it again. But you believe what you want. Lucky for you, you don't have to deal with the wreckage he left behind in our government.

Anyway, did you notice the dimensions on the flagpoles Trump installed?

Re:Honda Conducts Successful Launch and Landing of Experimen... by bbarnett on Saturday June 21, 2025 @04:06AM (#44335650)
By your definition, waving grandmothers are giving the nazi salute. Absurd. Absolutely absurd. This is literally the dumbest, most inane, ridiculous assertion I have ever seen in my entire life.