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Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by notJim on Friday August 24, 2012 @05:49PM (#4429863)
It would be incredible to me if someone could write some commentary about this for the non-lisper. Skimming it now, it seems very familiar to me (as in, I don't really see anything about it that expresses anything particularly beautifully), but I might be missing some of the finer points. Overall, I recognize a lot of familiar code that I've written for games in javascript. It's hard to appreciate the aesthetics of this, since I'm not familiar with the language.
Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by aidenn0 on Friday August 24, 2012 @05:55PM (#4429891)
My guess is that the author is new to common lisp. It's the only CL project in his github account, and he wrote it using vim. Most people who have been using SBCL for a while will use emacs with SLIME as it is the recommended IDE for using SBCL.

So I wouldn't expect it to contain any particularly awesome lisp-isms. My first read made me think it was using multiple-dispatch, but it isn't doing so in a way that wouldn't also be possible in a language with overloading, as no more than 1 parameter is ambiguously typed at function call time.

Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by enduser on Friday August 24, 2012 @09:18PM (#4430673)
Some of the best lispers use vim. cf Doug Hotye (antiweb, Let Over Lambda) and Paul Graham. I use vim + slimv to develop with SBCL.
Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by fusiongyro on Friday August 24, 2012 @06:11PM (#4429963)
I think it's a little disingenuous to expect less of someone for using a different editor. Good catch on the multiple dispatch though.
Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by FuzzyDunlop on Friday August 24, 2012 @06:26PM (#4430003)
I think it would be fair to say that the characteristics of the code you write could change depending on whether you use an editor or an IDE though.

If emacs + slime is to lisp what eclipse is to java, then I think that is what the GP was alluding to.

Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by fusiongyro on Friday August 24, 2012 @06:38PM (#4430044)
It makes just as much sense as racial profiling.
Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by rglullis on Friday August 24, 2012 @06:50PM (#4430105)
To avoid the politics: "it makes just as much sense as Bayesian inference".
Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by fusiongyro on Friday August 24, 2012 @06:58PM (#4430136)
I suppose that's better. Great Lispers are statistically unlikely to be using Vim, but the number of people using Vim is so large that merely using Vim isn't damning evidence that code is poorly written.
Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by batgaijin on Friday August 24, 2012 @08:03PM (#4430460)
It's not 'great lispers' it's 'programmers reading lisp tutorials'

If you can find one Lisp tutorial that mentions only Vim or even shows Vim and Emacs as competing setups I would be genuinely surprised.

Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by idoh on Saturday August 25, 2012 @12:19AM (#4431093)
Here is one: http://ycombinator.com/arc/tut.txt

"There are 4 parentheses at the end of that call to cons. How do Lisp programmers deal with this? They don't. You could add or subtract a right paren from that expression and most wouldn't notice. Lisp programmers don't count parens. They read code by indentation, not parens, and when writing code they let the editor match parens (use :set sm in vi, M-x lisp-mode in Emacs)."

Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by PuercoPop on Friday August 24, 2012 @07:05PM (#4430180)
He mentioned the editor second. The fact that it was the only CL project in his github first. In my perspective he mentioned the editor as a weaker circumstantial evidence.
Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by andyhd on Saturday August 25, 2012 @12:27PM (#4432437)
Hi, author here. I am new to Lisp (about 4 months in) and I've been a happy Vim user for many years, so I'm not finding the transition to Emacs very easy. I am trying, though.
Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by aidenn0 on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @07:42PM (#4452086)
I'm a very happy vim user too. Sadly, short of commercial IDEs, developing lisp without slime is like developing Java without eclipse or intellij; it's just an inferior way to interface with the language.

For vim users, the two choices are vim+slimv and emacs+evil. I find evil to be closer to vim than slimv is to a good slime experience, but that can change. Also, if you have any vim plugins that you really depend on then slimv probably edges out evil.

On the other hand I started out several years ago with viper plus a bunch of hand-coded elisp functions to use my most commonly-used vim commands, so we've come a long way.

Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by andyhd on Saturday August 25, 2012 @12:44PM (#4432487)
I was planning to write about my experience writing this, so I'll keep you posted.

It's really not elegant or special code at all, though, just something I used to learn some more about Lisp.

Re:Asteroids in under 600 lines of Common Lisp (uses SBCL an... by notJim on Saturday August 25, 2012 @08:34PM (#4433891)
Please do!

Lisp has this reputation within the hacker community, and I'd love to hear some impressions from people who are new to it.