Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests
by Amezarak on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:20AM
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ICE has been arresting business owners for this, but unfortunately the legal requirement to do so is very high - you have to prove they knew what they were doing. It should probably be lowered.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests
by aaronbaugher on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:36AM
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Yes, we need much higher penalties on employers who break the law by hiring illegal aliens, and make it harder for them to pretend they didn't know, in addition to deporting illegals. It's not either/or; it's both/and.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests
by freejazz on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @12:06PM
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Due process? Who cares?! ICE doesn't need due process and Trump said Americans aren't entitled to it anyway. Do you think Americans are special?
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests
by Amezarak on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @02:08PM
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This isn’t a due process issue. There are plenty of crimes where the state does not have to prove you knew you were doing wrong, only that you did wrong. I see no reason why this can’t apply to employers, who would then be much more careful.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests
by freejazz on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @02:47PM
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Having evidence to prove a crime is absolutely part of due process
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests
by Amezarak on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @03:52PM
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Yes, but having to prove you were committing a crime versus the government having to prove you knowingly committed a crime are two different things. We do not always require the latter. For example, in most states, the government does not care whether you knew you were above the legal BAC when convicting you of DUI.
As it stands, employers can pretend ignorance and as long as they were not really stupid, put putting things in writing or personally arranging for the trafficking, they can likely get away with it. There’s no reason I can think of why we shouldn’t change that.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests
by freejazz on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @10:58AM
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You're just talking about different standards of knowledge for a crime which has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted, which is that Trump has been arguing that there is no need for americans to receive due process - so the issue of evidentiary standards, which you are discussing, would be completely irrelevant in the scenario he advocates for. Once again, I ask you, as he retorted at a reporter "are Americans special?"
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests
by Amezarak on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @03:38PM
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I apologize, I thought you were responding to my comment. I didn’t intend or desire to be in a political conversation.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests
by curtisblaine on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:33AM
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Yes, punishing employers for hiring illegal immigrants works too. The two solutions are not exclusive and they can be implemented parallely.
As I said, many ways to skin a cat.
People follow incentives, so why not punish people who are paying for the labor? Arrests for employing them?
Its an economic system, theres 2 way incentives.
The process used, depends on what problem you are solving.