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Re:What the heck does "pythonic" mean? by ajross on Thursday August 23, 2012 @12:09PM (#4423145)
Brief para-literary digression:

I'm always amused when I read this. All of it is straightforward advice and good when applied sanely, of course. But... the whole thing just drips with an insecurity complex over perl. Where Larry & Co. were shocking the world with the cacophany of TMTOWTDI and their Laziness, Impatience and Hubris, the python people just look... scared of all that stuff.

So they have this meek list instead. There's sanity here, but no poetry. I think this explains my reaction to python every time I'm forced to use or maintain it -- there's no fun in the language, just proscription. Programming should be fun, right?

Re:What the heck does "pythonic" mean? by softbuilder on Thursday August 23, 2012 @12:34PM (#4423319)
>the whole thing just drips with an insecurity complex over perl.

JAPH to Pythonista convert here. I think it definitely is a reaction to Perl, but the "insecurity complex" phrasing has its own insecurity complex peeking out. The Zen dates from 2004, when the writing was on the wall for Perl. (That writing on the wall was in Ruby, Python, and PHP.) Very little to feel insecure about by then.

Also, beauty and simplicity are hardly meek values, but I understand the subjectivity. To each his own.