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Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by didntcheck on Friday June 06, 2025 @04:49AM (#44198959)
I also live in the UK, and I in fact care about both of these. "Things are worse in America" is a tired and harmful cliché frequently used to deflect valid complaints about affairs here. Is the Trump administration really the low bar we're happy with?

And I'm afraid we're long past the point of dismissing police and state overreach into freedom of expression as an "American/right-wing myth". The Julian Foulkes case [1] is just one recent example - and no, the fact that they apologised in this one case, featuring an important person, that received substantial media attention, is not enough to reassure me that it was an error

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j718we6njo

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by Latty on Friday June 06, 2025 @05:11AM (#44199086)
I explicitly said that the UK wasn't free of issues: my pointing out the US was worse wasn't defending our own, simply making the point that some Americans tend to massively exaggerate the UK's issues while pretending the US doesn't have any.

Average people from the UK are going to assume that any pushback on speech controls is nutters if the message comes with absurd exaggerations and outright lies. There are legitimate cases of overreach from our legal system, but too often the focus is on someone actively calling for violence, and those are not the same.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by Glittergorp on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:59AM (#44199946)
> I explicitly said that the UK wasn't free of issues: my pointing out the US was worse wasn't defending our own, simply making the point that some Americans tend to massively exaggerate the UK's issues while pretending the US doesn't have any.

What you are doing is called "whataboutism".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I and others are perfectly aware that the US is no paradise. However the UK is much worse than the US.

> Average people from the UK are going to assume that any pushback on speech controls is nutters if the message comes with absurd exaggerations and outright lies. There are legitimate cases of overreach from our legal system, but too often the focus is on someone actively calling for violence, and those are not the same.

The average person in the UK probably isn't even aware there are speech controls and probably would support them. Free speech is something that the British public don't value.

The British Government BTW has a long history of suppressing speech, lying to its own citizens, locking up people that they didn't like. They can always find a reason to do it as there are any number of laws you are in violation in without you even being aware of it.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by haswell on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:37AM (#44199820)
> …while pretending the US doesn't have any.

As far as I can tell, the comment you replied to did not do any such thing.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by foldr on Friday June 06, 2025 @09:54AM (#44200958)
They’re referring to the comment upthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44198428
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by haswell on Friday June 06, 2025 @10:12AM (#44201127)
Yes, I’m aware. I should have said “referred to” instead of “replied to”.
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by foldr on Friday June 06, 2025 @10:53AM (#44201528)
Hmm, to me that comment is clearly making a comparison between the US and the UK and suggesting that the UK is in a worse position with regard to freedom of expression (“from across the pond”).
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by foldr on Friday June 06, 2025 @09:52AM (#44200936)
> "I am pleased that Kent Police has apologised to him and removed the caution from his record."

This is bad, but corrective action was taken. You can look through the news in pretty much any country and find some examples of the police abusing their power or arresting people for stupid reasons. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t bad or that it’s not worth drawing attention to. But cherry picking these kinds of incidents can give people outside the UK a deeply misleading picture of what life is actually like here (see e.g. the green account posting elsewhere in this thread for one example).