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Re:Tesla seeks to guard crash data from public disclosure by otterley on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @10:12PM (#44187695)
> Take the camera-based driver attention monitoring that works in my seven year-old Tesla, which notices IMMEDIATELY if I look away from the windshield for more than a second or two, and then require that in the human-driven cars.

This exists already in Subaru vehicles, even ones with ICEs. It's called "DriverFocus." It's super helpful. However, I don't believe the technology is mandated in all vehicles yet.

The driver drowsiness alert in Teslas seems to be much more limited than that. It only activates at speeds over 60km/h, when driven for more than 10 minutes, and when Autopilot is not engaged. I wonder why they disable it when Autopilot is on?

Re:Tesla seeks to guard crash data from public disclosure by moduspol on Thursday June 05, 2025 @12:01AM (#44188208)
AutoPilot is already independently monitoring driver attentiveness. With FSD, if your eyes are visible, it's watching your eyes. If it can't see your eyes (or you don't have FSD), it falls back to requiring the driver to apply a small and specific bit of torque to the steering wheel consistently.

The drowsiness alert would be superfluous when it's watching your eyes. It's already going to yell at you if it can't see your open eyes looking out the windshield for more than a second or two.

Whether or not the "steering wheel torque" method is better than a vision-based driver drowsiness alert is probably debatable, but it would be pretty tough to fall asleep while also applying exactly the right amount of torque to keep Autopilot engaged.

Re:Tesla seeks to guard crash data from public disclosure by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 05, 2025 @03:36PM (#44195032)
OP's point is a Subaru monitors its driver just as closely as a Tesla but over a broader range of circumstances. You don't need Teslas in your jurisdiction to get this safety win.