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Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by xp84 on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @05:20PM (#44185671)
This is so true. The modern Mac is a sea of Allow/Don't Allow prompts, mixed with the slightly more infantilizing alternative of the "Block" / "Open System Preferences" where you have to prove you know what you're doing by manually browsing for the app to grant the permission to, to add it to the list of ones with whatever permission.

They're just two different approaches with the same flaw: People with no clue how tech works cannot completely protect themselves from any possible attacker, while also having sophisticated networked features. Nobody has provided a decent alternative other than some kind of fully bubble-wrapped limited account using Group Policies, to ban all those perms from even being asked for.

Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by donnachangstein on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @06:59PM (#44186484)
> The modern Mac is a sea of Allow/Don't Allow prompts

Remember when they used to mock this as part of their marketing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUPxkzV1RTc

Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by GeekyBear on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @09:50PM (#44187565)
Windows Vista would spawn a permissions prompt when users did something as innocuous as creating a shortcut on their desktop.

Microsoft deserved to be mocked for that implementation.

Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by AStonesThrow on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @10:04PM (#44187638)
I once encountered malware on my roommate’s Windows 98 system. It was a worm designed to rewrite every image file as a VBS script that would replicate and re-infect every possible file whenever it was clicked or executed. It hid the VBS extensions and masqueraded as the original images.

Creation of a shortcut on Windows is not necessarily innocuous. It was a common first vector to drop malware as users were accustomed to installing software that did the same thing. A Windows shortcut can hide an arbitrary pathname, arbitrary command-line arguments, a custom icon, and more; these can be modified at any time.

So whether it was a mistake for UAC to be overzealous or obstructionist, or Microsoft was already being mocked for poor security, perhaps they weren’t wrong to raise awareness about such maneuvers.

Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by GeekyBear on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @10:20PM (#44187757)
A user creating a shortcut manually is not something that requires a permissions prompt.

If you want to teach users to ignore security prompts, then completely pointless nagging is how you do it.

Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by esseph on Friday June 06, 2025 @10:48AM (#44201481)
Programs running during the user session are often running as that user.

The "correct answer" to this is probably that there isn't a good answer here.

Security is a damn minefield and it's getting worse every day.

Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by GeekyBear on Friday June 06, 2025 @02:51PM (#44203840)
There is no universe in which it makes sense to ask the very user who just created a shortcut if they should have permission to create that shortcut.

This is why Microsoft was so widely mocked for just how bad their initial implementation of UAC was.

Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by esseph on Friday June 06, 2025 @11:42PM (#44207256)
"iPhone Shortcuts always asks permission to access file"

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254931245

iOS Shortcut danger

https://cyberpress.org/unveiling-risks-of-ios-shortcuts/

But anywho, cve.org lists 78 shortcut vulnerabilities across many platforms.

I know you'd like to believe the world we live in shouldn't require permissions for a user to create a shortcut and then access it, but that... Is actually the world we live in, and have been in for a very long time.

Security is hard and it's not getting any easier as system complexity increases.

Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by GeekyBear on Saturday June 07, 2025 @11:38AM (#44210357)
If the user manually creating a shortcut is so dangerous, why did Microsoft remove that permissions prompt when they fixed their terrible initial UAC implementation?
Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by Gigachad on Thursday June 05, 2025 @03:10AM (#44189147)
MacOS asked a permission dialog when I plug my AirPods in to charge. I have no idea what I’m even giving permission for but it pops up every time.
Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by GeekyBear on Thursday June 05, 2025 @11:20AM (#44192539)
Asking you if you trust a device before opening a data connection to it is simply not the same thing as asking the person who just created a shortcut if they should be allowed to do that.
Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by esseph on Friday June 06, 2025 @02:22AM (#44198278)
How do you know the person created the shortcut and not some malware trying to get a user to click on an executable and elevate permissions?
Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by Gigachad on Thursday June 05, 2025 @03:08AM (#44189137)
A better option would be to put Mark Zuckerberg in prison for deploying malware to a massive number of people.
Re:A proposal to restrict sites from accessing a users' loca... by bmacho on Saturday June 07, 2025 @06:52AM (#44208797)
And everyone that worked on it, also everyone that still keep working at any division at Meta after knowing that it is organized crime.