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Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by pmlnr on Saturday May 31, 2025 @01:16AM (#44141999)
Keynes was talking about work in every sense,including house chore. We're well below 15 hours of house chores by now, so that part became true.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by LeonB on Saturday May 31, 2025 @03:31AM (#44142615)
Washing machines created a revolution where we could now expend 1/10th of the human labour to wash the same amount of clothes as before. We now have more than 10 times as much clothes to wash.

I don’t know if it’s induced demand, revealed preference or Jevon’s paradox, maybe all 3.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by tim333 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @06:20AM (#44143259)
I saw some research once that the hours women spend doing housework hasn't changed. I think because human nature, not anything to do with the tech.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by Lu2025 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @09:35PM (#44148074)
> the hours women spend doing housework hasn't changed

So it's only men who got relief?

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by AuryGlenz on Sunday June 01, 2025 @12:50AM (#44148716)
That's nonsense. It used to take women a full workday per week just to wash clothes.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by AStonesThrow on Sunday June 01, 2025 @12:57AM (#44148744)
Well, now we can own more clothes! And we can wash them more often! And rather than specialist washerwomen, everyone can/must use the laundry-room robots!
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by tim333 on Sunday June 01, 2025 @06:18AM (#44149827)
https://robinmarkphillips.com/household-appliances-made-life...

I've done some 3rd world travel without washing machines for a while and my laundry was once a week dunk stuff in the sink for 5 minutes with shampoo + rinse water, wring and hang up. I don't buy the whole day being necessary thing.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by B1FF_PSUVM on Saturday May 31, 2025 @03:54PM (#44146603)
> We now have more than 10 times as much clothes to wash.

OK, but I doubt we're washing 10 times as much clothes, unless are people wearing them for one hour between washes...

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by jjk166 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @07:15PM (#44147605)
> We now have more than 10 times as much clothes to wash.

Citation needed.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by itishappy on Saturday May 31, 2025 @01:31AM (#44142055)
We've got 10 whole hours left over for "actual" work!

(Quotes because I personally have a significantly harder time doing bloody housework...)

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by autobodie on Saturday May 31, 2025 @01:23AM (#44142021)
Source? Keynes was a serious economist, not a charlitan futurist.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by itishappy on Saturday May 31, 2025 @01:39AM (#44142083)
John Maynard Keynes (1930) - Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren

> For many ages to come the old Adam will be so strong in us that everybody will need to do some work if he is to be contented. We shall do more things for ourselves than is usual with the rich to-day, only too glad to have small duties and tasks and routines. But beyond this, we shall endeavour to spread the bread thin on the butter-to make what work there is still to be done to be as widely shared as possible. Three-hour shifts or a fifteen-hour week may put off the problem for a great while. For three hours a day is quite enough to satisfy the old Adam in most of us!

http://www.econ.yale.edu/smith/econ116a/keynes1.pdf

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/files/cont...

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by leoedin on Saturday May 31, 2025 @02:30AM (#44142286)
Clearly you don’t have children!
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by tim333 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @06:24AM (#44143278)
I was thinking it's a function of the social setting. Single bloke 1h/week. Couple 5h/week. With kids continuous. Or some such.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by leoedin on Saturday May 31, 2025 @07:50AM (#44143612)
I imagine standards have also shifted. It just wouldn’t have been possible to wash a child’s clothes after one wear before the invention of the washing machine. People also had far less clothing that they could have even needed to wash.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by antonvs on Saturday May 31, 2025 @07:01AM (#44143441)
Life pro tip: teach your children to do chores.
Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by aleph_minus_one on Saturday May 31, 2025 @07:50PM (#44147722)
> Life pro tip: teach your children to do chores.

Before teaching your children to do chores: x hours per week for chores

After teaching your children to do chores: y hours per weeks to have annoying discussions with the child, and X hours per week cautioning the children to do the chores, and ensuring that your children do the chore properly. Here X > x.

Additional time for you: -((X-x)+y), where X>x and additionally y > 0.

Re:The 'white-collar bloodbath' is all part of the AI hype m... by nrclark on Sunday June 01, 2025 @06:44AM (#44149934)
I did a lot of chores growing up. Looking back, X>x was true for the first few months of each new chore; but X died down to zero as time went on.