Re:Peer Programming with LLMs, for Senior+ Engineers
by viraptor on Saturday May 24, 2025 @07:23PM
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I haven't heard the "scripting is not programming" or similar take since newsgroups. It's really time to let it die.
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Re:Peer Programming with LLMs, for Senior+ Engineers
by Lalabadie on Saturday May 24, 2025 @07:38PM
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One of my pet hypotheses is that the top X% of Excel users vastly outperform the same bottom % of programmers in getting to usable results.
Re:Peer Programming with LLMs, for Senior+ Engineers
by fenomas on Saturday May 24, 2025 @10:05PM
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Totally agree! I know a guy whose main job is basically to be an Excel expert (nominally he works in logistics), and seeing some of his work convinced me that he's actually a programmer who uses excel as an IDE - akin to visual programming.
Re:Peer Programming with LLMs, for Senior+ Engineers
by callc on Sunday May 25, 2025 @12:25AM
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We should adopt the term “tabular programmers” or “tabular engineers”!
Re:Peer Programming with LLMs, for Senior+ Engineers
by layer8 on Saturday May 24, 2025 @07:34PM
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That’s not what I wrote. It’s just that in my dev work I only rarely have the need for one-off tools.
Re:Peer Programming with LLMs, for Senior+ Engineers
by sagarm on Saturday May 24, 2025 @08:22PM
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Do you not debug, optimize, analyze ...? Copilot is especially valuable for throwaway (or nearly throwaway) log parsing/analysis, for example.
Re:Peer Programming with LLMs, for Senior+ Engineers
by layer8 on Sunday May 25, 2025 @07:41AM
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I do, but I have all the software I need for that. I may use LLMs in that context, but for the actual analysis, not for generating one-off tools.
Re:Peer Programming with LLMs, for Senior+ Engineers
by BeetleB on Saturday May 24, 2025 @08:28PM
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That used to be the case with me too before LLMs.
It was because writing one off tools took time and you needed it to do more for it to be worth the time.
Now a lot more are getting written because it takes a lot less effort. :-)
Re:Peer Programming with LLMs, for Senior+ Engineers
by viraptor on Saturday May 24, 2025 @10:45PM
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It just depends on the environment. Some areas get to experiment with different approaches more than others. On one extreme if I was writing yet another crud app, it's unlikely is need any such tools. On the other, when dealing with data processing/visualisation/ml, it's small experimental tools all over the place.