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Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by ajross on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:17PM (#44067157)
That is just shockingly cynical. We're facing a situation where a sitting government feels empowered to go to war against an elite university solely over the speech it doesn't like to hear on its campus.

And your response is to dismiss it all as a kerfuffle over "bad lobbying" and "inter-elite fratricide"? Really?

Surely there are existing institutions of some form or another you'd like to see not made enemies of the state. You don't maybe see a principle at work here beyond your personal dislike of academia?

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by bananalychee on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:51PM (#44067509)
Fighting antisemitism is clearly not the true motive behind this ideological "war", just as denazification was clearly not the motive for Russia's invasion of Ukraine; it's just a convenient excuse to target institutions such as Harvard that are unwilling to distance themselves from the progressive left.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by JCattheATM on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:53PM (#44067544)
Exactly this. It's nothing but an attempt to punish them for not kissing the ring. If only we had another arm of government able to hold this clearly corrupt behavior to account....
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by ethbr1 on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:06PM (#44067666)
There would have been a stronger one if Ruth Bader Ginsburg had retired at a time that supported a 5/4 ideological balance on the Supreme Court.

Instead of the hubris to hold onto the job until death and thereby subsequently undo many of the things she spent her life fighting for.

Finding a successor and handing over your power is one of the most important responsibilities of the powerful, when they have a say.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by anigbrowl on Thursday May 22, 2025 @07:58PM (#44068430)
Instead of the hubris to hold onto the job until death and thereby subsequently undo many of the things she spent her life fighting for.

A bit off-topic, but this seems to be an ongoing problem for the Democratic party. They just lost an important vote on a budget bill in the House by a single vote, because Gerry Connolly wasn't willing to give up his House seat and instead clung on until he (very predictably) died of cancer a few days ago.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by intended on Friday May 23, 2025 @12:50AM (#44069942)
This is drama, a republican congressperson was asleep for the bill. This is producing storylines to sell during the mid terms.

Dont believe it for a second. The Republican Party moves in lockstep.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by nebula8804 on Friday May 23, 2025 @06:00AM (#44071440)
But if the Democratic guy had stepped down and they had a non sick person then the story would have been much better: Republican bill fails because one of their members was asleep and missed the vote.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by intended on Friday May 23, 2025 @06:12AM (#44071487)
He would be awake for the vote.

They would go to his location and shake him awake if they had to.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by JCattheATM on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:24PM (#44067808)
Yeah, that was a pretty bad decision, but the bigger issue is still a population that votes based on misinformation and 'alternative facts'. Until that is resolved, if it even can be at this point, then this tribal and sometimes cultish behavior is only going to become more prevalent, in turn doing more damage to the country.

Personally, I think we've started on a path to self-destruction that can't be reversed.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by AceyMan on Thursday May 22, 2025 @11:59PM (#44069748)
> Personally, I think we've started on a path to self-destruction that can't be reversed.

Do you mean, 'we' as in the US, or 'we,' as in humanity?

[either way, I'm not saying you're wrong :( ]

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by JCattheATM on Friday May 23, 2025 @01:12PM (#44074596)
Oh, I mean the US specifically. I'm optimistic the other western powers won't go down the same self-destructive path the US has chosen, largely because they have much better public education pre-college, and much more accessible higher education.

I expect even China and India to start improving drastically in all the ways that matter as the US continues to downlside.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by ModernMech on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:35PM (#44067898)
Pretty bold to blame RBG without spending a breath on Mitch McConnell, who stole an appointment from Obama because he said it was too close to the election to fill the seat; and then rushed to fill the seat vacated by RBG even though it was so close to the election. Treating the court with that kind of partisan contempt is the reason why the court is as partisan as it is.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by UncleMeat on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:49PM (#44068006)
There is different blame.

I expect McConnell to be an advocate for harm. But RBG could have made a decision that made it impossible for the GOP to flip her seat in the way that she did. I expect people that are ostensibly fighting for the same things as me to act in ways that help achieve that.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by ethbr1 on Thursday May 22, 2025 @08:22PM (#44068556)
Indeed. It's pretty stupid in game theory to make a move that's beneficial only if your opponent also then makes a choice against their self interest.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by JCattheATM on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:46PM (#44067983)
Yeah, McConnell really acted like scum by doing that. But it's fair to say RBG didn't help things.
Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by alephnerd on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:20PM (#44067189)
I'm a severely disillusioned alum of a couple of the campus orgs really driving some of this.

> Surely there are existing institutions of some form or another you'd like to see not made enemies of the state. You don't maybe see a principle at work here beyond your personal dislike of academia

Hold up - I'm massively pro-academic freedom and autonomy. I'm just pointing out that there's a fight happening behind this fight that has been going on in a subset of the Harvard alum community that has snowballed into this fiasco.

> That is just shockingly cynical

You don't understand unless you actually attended Harvard. It's a very isolating and cliquish experience which incentivizes you to exist within your echo chamber.

Even joining god damn clubs on campus required "Comping" (basically the same as rushing in frats)

Major reason I spent most of my time at MIT and BU or the grad schools like HKS and HBS instead - middle class schools tend to have less of a stick up their butt.

Edit: can't reply to you below, but tl;dr I agree with your callout. I edited my initial comment because as you pointed out it did come off as if I had schachenfreude.

> I can say with 100% sincerity that'd I'd feel the same horror if a White House was similarly going after TCU, or Liberty University, or even Yale

I agree. I'm just exasperated by this whole fiasco and that's why my post is so angry in tone

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by ajross on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:24PM (#44067225)
> Hold up - I'm massively pro-academic freedom and autonomy.

Then maybe you'd like to rephrase your upthread comment which seems very comfortable with a clear and obvious attack on academic freedom and autonomy?

> You don't understand unless you actually attended Harvard.

Class of '96. But really I don't see how that's relevant in the face of the current crisis. I can say with 100% sincerity that'd I'd feel the same horror if a White House was similarly going after TCU, or Liberty University, or even Yale.

It's. Awful. And it's not made less so because some of the students are Zionists, or Palestinian Sympathizers, or Vegan, or whatever it is you're upset about.

Re:Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll in... by alephnerd on Thursday May 22, 2025 @08:06PM (#44068482)
> Then maybe you'd like to rephrase your upthread comment which seems very comfortable with a clear and obvious attack on academic freedom and autonomy?

On it! I agree with you 100% - it's horrid.

> But really I don't see how that's relevant in the face of the current crisis

There are some interpersonal relations and egos that got mixed into this, along with a very cynical anti-establishment play. It takes a couple bad apples to spoil the batch, and that's what it feels like has happened. I was a Gov secondary during the Obama years so I bumped into a lot of the people who ended up on either side of the political and cultural divide. I feel digging into that helps explain how this has really snowballed. It's been a rolling crisis for a couple years now.

> It's. Awful. And it's not made less so because some of the students are Zionists, or Palestinian Sympathizers, or Vegan, or whatever it is you're upset about

I agree, but ignoring some of the ego and personal clashes that has caused this crisis means you lose the bigger picture.