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Re:OpenAI Codex Review by bilbo0s on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @04:11PM (#44045419)
I mean, I get what everyone's saying. But, just Devil's Advocate, what would be so terrible about software developers having to find some other line of work?

We've used our software development skills to automate other people out of work for what can be argued to be literally decades. Each time we did it, we certainly expected that the people affected would find other work. New jobs were created. The world didn't end. I honestly don't think it would be that much worse this time.

Re:OpenAI Codex Review by AstroBen on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @04:48PM (#44045773)
> what would be so terrible about software developers having to find some other line of work

Uh.. I'm having trouble considering this as a serious question. It's objectively going to lead to them being in a worse situation. Mostly irrelevant resume and needing to re-skill into something and start from the bottom.. out of a well paid career that many enjoy and find fulfilling

My question wasn't an ethical one. It's why are the people that are the target of this automation happy about the progress, to the point of trying to push it forward faster, cheering it on

Re:OpenAI Codex Review by jampekka on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @05:49PM (#44046275)
I agree that with the current economic structures a lot of us will end up worse off. Just like e.g. manufacturing workers did.

But the automation is not the problem, it's the economic structure in which increased efficiency makes a lot of people worse off.

Re:OpenAI Codex Review by AstroBen on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @06:04PM (#44046394)
Yeah you're right. Improving productivity for society should be a really exciting time for everyone.. instead we just leave the affected with nothing
Re:OpenAI Codex Review by palmotea on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @06:02PM (#44046381)
> We've used our software development skills to automate other people out of work for what can be argued to be literally decades.

And that's the shitty part of the job, and everyone should be uncomfortable with it. I haven't literally automated anyone out of a job (that I know), but I definitely did not like finding out (after the fact) that one project was meant to enable a large offshoring effort.

> Each time we did it, we certainly expected that the people affected would find other work.

I do not expect that. That's a comforting lie people tell themselves.

> New jobs were created. The world didn't end. I honestly don't think it would be that much worse this time.

It didn't end, but it often got significantly worse for some. If the AI hype pans out, it's going to get significantly worse for software engineers. Your "newly created job," if it exists, will likely pay out a lot less that you're used to. At best, you'll get knocked down to the bottom of the career ladder.

It's a mistake to think about things in aggregate like you're doing. It's easy to hide inconvenient truths.