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Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by reisse on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @03:19AM (#44038690)
Why not just use Linux then?

The whole point of Windows right now is having a kernel that a) does not shove GPL down the device manufacturer's throat and b) care about driver API stability so that drivers actually work without manufacturer or maintaner intervention every kernel upgrade.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by bayindirh on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @03:43AM (#44038858)
People like to talk like GPL is evil, but it's underpinning more of the world than many people see.

And thanks to no ABI/API stability guarantees, Linux can innovate and doesn't care about what others might say. Considering Linux is developed mostly by companies today, the standard upkeep of a driver is not a burden unless you want to shove planned obsolescence down the throats of the consumers (cough Win11 TPM requirements cough).

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by dabockster on Friday May 23, 2025 @11:15AM (#44073622)
I wouldn’t call the GPL “evil”, but I do think it’s more unrealistic given current western economics and mooching practices. Some copyright here and there does help keep food and water on the table.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by codeguro on Monday May 26, 2025 @12:57AM (#44094095)
Nothing prevents one from selling GPL'd software. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by AStonesThrow on Monday May 26, 2025 @01:02AM (#44094113)
Despite the FSF's word games with "copyleft", the GNU GPL, Creative Commons, and F/OSS licenses rely on legal copyright protections in order to work. It's the copyright holder who reserves the right to license the software by those terms.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

https://creativecommons.org/faq/#is-creative-commons-against...

Closed source is protected in other ways besides copyright. Trade secrets, confidentiality, NDA, proprietary ownership, obfuscation, and in the case of hardware, big globs of epoxy and other countermeasures to ensure nobody can get in and reverse-engineer it.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by bayindirh on Monday May 26, 2025 @06:19AM (#44095895)
> Some copyright here and there does help keep food and water on the table.

While I'm a strong Free Software proponent, I'm not a zealot and insist on a black or white approach.

Yes, some software can be closed source, I agree, but it shouldn't be the bedrock software, i.e. anything required to enable hardware (firmware, OS, and preferably the utilities).

For the record, I'm paying for a couple closed source software packages on Linux which provide very unique feature s. These are inSync and Pagico.

On top of that, you can always sell GPL software (remember, you shall ship the source with the product. opening it it to everyone is not a requirement). On top of it, you can sell support or special versions. curl has a special version for paying customers, and ccid driver developers sell ccid compliance testing.

So, there are always alternatives, and the reality has more shades of gray than two distinct colors.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by atoav on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @04:04AM (#44039008)
Sure, but consider that some people might not be able to just make that choice in any given context.

I was working as a freelancer wher a lot of my job meant interfacing with files other people made in Software that only runs reliably on Windows or Mac (and I tried regularly).

So WSL provided me with a way to run Linux stuff without having to run a fat VM or dual boot. In fact my experience with WSL is probably why I run Linux as my daily driver OS in academia now, since here the context differs and a switch to Linux was possible.

Whether a thing is useful is always dependent on the person and the context. WSL can absolutely be a gateway drug to Linux for those who haven't managed to get their feet wet just yet.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by bayindirh on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @04:49AM (#44039295)
I completely agree with you. WSL2 can be useful for many scenarios at its current form.

We tend to forget that "Horses for Courses" and "Your Mileage May Vary" applies way broader than we think.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by FeloniousHam on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @07:31AM (#44040318)
The obvious answer: you can't. I work in constrained environment with an IT department that provides the hardware and (most of) the software I develop on. I agree with all the WSL cheering here, it integrates almost seamlessly.

But you're asking the wrong question. It should be "why not use MacOS?" if you need a stable UI with UNIX underneath :).

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by bayindirh on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @07:49AM (#44040471)
That's another sound option, but as a person who doesn't like Homebrew and stuffing /usr/local with tons of things, a lightweight Linux VM becomes mandatory after some point on macOS, too.

Other than that, macOS plus some tools (Fileduck, Forklift, Tower, Kaleidoscope to name a few), you can be 99% there.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by p_ing on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @08:29AM (#44040813)
Homebrew on arm64 installs to /opt/homebrew.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by bayindirh on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @08:32AM (#44040839)
Oh. They changed it at last? This is good news. Thanks for letting me know.
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by rcleveng on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @09:24AM (#44041347)
Yup absolutely.

I use macos as my daily driver, but any real work on it happens on a linux container or VM. Using one of {cursor, vscode, windsurf} with a devcontainer is a much better approach for me.

Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by skydhash on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @08:52AM (#44041014)
Current macos is going the windows direction with some architecture choice (default uninstallable software, settings panel mess, meaningless updates,…)
Re:The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source by MonaroVXR on Friday May 23, 2025 @08:23PM (#44077825)
>Why not just use Linux then?

Why not both? Like me?