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Re:Thoughts on Thinking by BeFlatXIII on Saturday May 17, 2025 @08:43AM (#44013884)
> Just because something isn't unique, doesn't make it derivative. We rediscover things every day.

This is the argument I use to dunk on ranters who spam conversations with “How can you say Christopher Columbus discovered the new world when there were already people living there?”

Re:Thoughts on Thinking by bccdee on Saturday May 17, 2025 @10:44AM (#44014695)
In fairness, Columbus thought he had found India, even after other, smarter people had told him otherwise. You can't give him too much credit, especially given that he was considered a monster even by contemporary monsters like Isabella I of Spain, his sponsor, who founded the Spanish Inquisition and still thought his treatment of the Taino natives was unconscionable. She wanted him to convert them to Christianity, and instead he exterminated them.
Re:Thoughts on Thinking by BeFlatXIII on Sunday May 18, 2025 @10:13AM (#44021556)
Those are all good arguments against praising Columbus. Especially his insistence that he had found India is a strong argument against saying he discovered America.

The specific argument “but it's not a discovery because it was already inhabited” is a particularly literal-minded child applying their teacher’s prohibitions on plagiarism to the real world.

Re:Thoughts on Thinking by bccdee on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:05PM (#44031975)
It just feels like an odd gotcha to me. You're not wrong, but the literal meaning of "discovery" was never what those conversations were about.