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Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by chongli on Thursday May 15, 2025 @11:18PM (#44001524)
Producing the set of steps is the hard part. If you can do that, you don’t need a junior to follow it, you have a program to execute.
Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by abletonlive on Thursday May 15, 2025 @11:36PM (#44001622)
If this is true then we wouldn't have senior engineers that delegate. My suggestion is to think a couple more cycles before hitting that reply button. It'll save us all from reading obviously and confidently wrong statements.
Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by guappa on Friday May 16, 2025 @02:19AM (#44002318)
AI aren't real people… You do that with real people because you can't just rsync their knowledge.

Only on this website of completely reality detached individuals such an obvious comment would be needed.

Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by abletonlive on Friday May 16, 2025 @02:35PM (#44008540)
So...you don't think you can give LLMs more knowledge ?? You're the one operating in detached reality. The reality is that a ton of engineers are finding LLMs useful, such as the author.

Maybe consider if you don't find it useful you're working on problems that it's not good at, or even more likely, you just suck at using the tools.

Anybody that finds value out of LLMs has a hard time understanding how one would conclude they are useless and you can't "give it instructions because that's that hard part" but it's actually really easy to understand. The folks that think this are just bad at it. We aren't living in some detached reality. The reality is that some people are just better than others

Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by guappa on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:33AM (#44026733)
If you have a dumb AI and a good AI, why not just use the good AI?
Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by TeMPOraL on Friday May 16, 2025 @02:59AM (#44002517)
Senior engineers delegate in part because they're coaxed into a faux-management role (all of the responsibilities, none of the privileges). Coding is done by juniors; by the time anyone gains enough experience to finally begin to know what they're doing, they're relegated to "mentoring" and "training" new cohort of fresh juniors.

Explains a lot about software quality these days.

Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by abletonlive on Friday May 16, 2025 @02:31PM (#44008503)
Or you know, they are leading big initiatives and cant do it all by themselves. Seniors can also delegate to other seniors. I am beyond senior with 11YOE and still code on a ton of my initiatives.
Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by adastra22 on Thursday May 15, 2025 @11:47PM (#44001666)
It is a task that LLMs are quite good at.
Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by Jensson on Friday May 16, 2025 @03:13AM (#44002577)
If the LLM actually could generate good steps that helped make forward progress then there would be no problem at all making agents, but agents are really bad so LLM can't be good at that.

If you feel those tips are good then you are just a bad judge of tips, there is a reason self help books sell so well even though they don't really help anyone, their goal is to write a lot of tips that sound good since they are kind of vague and general but doesn't really help the reader.

Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by adastra22 on Friday May 16, 2025 @03:38AM (#44002726)
I use agentic LLMs every single day and get tremendous value. Asking the LLM to produce a set of bite-sized tasks with built-in corrective reminders is something that they're really good at. It gives good results.

I'm sorry if you're using it wrong.

Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by TeMPOraL on Friday May 16, 2025 @04:01AM (#44002871)
Seconding. In the past months, when using Aider, I've been using the approach of discussing a piece of work (new project, larger change), and asking the model to prepare a plan of action. After possibly some little back and forth, I approve the plan and ask LLM to create or update a specification document for the project and a plan document which documents a sequence of changes broken down into bite-sized tasks - the latter is there to keep both me and the LLM on track. With that set, I can just keep repeatedly telling it to "continue implementation of the plan", and it does exactly that.

Eventually it'll do something wrong or I realize I wanted things differently, which necessitates some further conversation, but other than that, it's just "go on" until we run out of plan, then devising a new plan, rinse repeat.

Re:The Unreasonable Effectiveness of an LLM Agent Loop with ... by adastra22 on Friday May 16, 2025 @12:19PM (#44007220)
This is pretty much what I do. It works very well.