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Re:Migrating to Postgres by moonikakiss on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @08:25PM (#43990596)
great blog. It seems like you might benefit from columnar storage in Postgres for that slow query that took ~20seconds.

It's interesting that people typically think of columnstores for strict BI / analytics. But there are so many App / user-facing workloads that actually need it.

ps: we're working on pg_mooncake v0.2. create a columnstore in Postgres that's always consistent with your OLTP tables.

It might help for this workload.

Re:Migrating to Postgres by I_am_tiberius on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @09:41PM (#43991025)
That sounds awesome. Are you saying you still use your normal OLTP table for writing data and the columnstore table is always in sync with that OLTP table (that's fantastic)? I ready it works with duckdb - how does it work? I guess there's no chance this is going to be available on Azure Flexible Server anytime soon.
Re:Migrating to Postgres by moonikakiss on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @10:17PM (#43991213)
exactly. we take the CDC output / logical decoding from your OLTP tables and write into a columnar format with <s freshness.

We had to design this columnstore to be 'operational' so it can keep up with changing oltp tables (updates/deletes).

You'll be able to deploy Mooncake as a read-replica regardless of where your Postgres is. Keep the write path unchanged, and query columnar tables from us.

--- v0.2 will be released in preview in ~a couple weeks. stay tuned!

Re:Migrating to Postgres by I_am_tiberius on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @10:36PM (#43991284)
Ah, I see. So there's a replication process similar to ClickHouse's MaterializedPostgres. Ideally, there would be functionality allowing a columnstore query to wait until all writes to the OLTP tables — up to the query's execution time — are available. This would make the system truly Postgres-native and address issues that no other system currently solves.
Re:Migrating to Postgres by moonikakiss on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @11:19PM (#43991505)
yep exactly. we can wait for replay LSN. So you're only reading once all writes to OLTP are complete.
Re:Migrating to Postgres by I_am_tiberius on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @10:15PM (#43991203)
A follow up question: You can't join columnar tables with OLTP tables, right?
Re:Migrating to Postgres by moonikakiss on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @10:18PM (#43991218)
yes you can. Even if the columnar tables are in the read replica. you'll be able to do joins with your OLTP tables
Re:Migrating to Postgres by I_am_tiberius on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @10:32PM (#43991272)
That's great, thanks.
Re:Migrating to Postgres by compton93 on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @08:33PM (#43990627)
What are your thoughts on Fujitsu's VCI? I typically work for ERP's but im always advocating to offload the right queries to columnar DB's (not for DB performance but for end user experience).