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Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by fundaThree on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @05:24PM (#43989379)
I thought Hochul ratfucked this initiative for no apparent reason. What was the reason she gave for not ratfucking it a second time?
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by burkaman on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @05:30PM (#43989434)
She delayed it by 6 months because she thought it would hurt some candidates in House elections, and then she reduced the fee by a significant amount when it did go into effect in January, but it's still working incredibly well.
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by fundaThree on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @05:47PM (#43989547)
> She delayed it by 6 months because she thought it would hurt some candidates in House elections

Did she think that New Jersey residents vote for New York candidates? Do you have a link to the narrative?

Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by burkaman on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:09PM (#43989714)
I don't think it made sense either, especially because cutting the congestion pricing revenue last-second meant she had to start talking about raising taxes on the entire state instead, but that is the consensus on what she was thinking.

Here's an article about it, she hasn't admitted the election considerations so we can't know for sure: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/09/nyregion/hochul-congestio...

Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by philipov on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @05:55PM (#43989620)
Westchester County and Long Island residents vote for New York candidates.
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by prasadjoglekar on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @08:03PM (#43990482)
And even further north Putnam and Dutchess Counties pay the MTCD tax. Those are solid red/purple.
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by fundaThree on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:05PM (#43989686)
Fair, I guess I have no clue who on earth would willingly opt into driving into New York in the first place.
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by epistasis on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @05:31PM (#43989438)
She delayed it by many months and lowered the fee, but eventually it went through. There was a theory that she wanted to delay it to win some contested seats in the November election, but that did not bear fruit. Now those voters still hate her, as do all the people that wanted congestion pricing. She was not well liked at the Democratic National Convention.
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by KennyBlanken on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:12PM (#43989725)
The reason she's not well liked is because she did absolutely nothing about probably one of the most corrupt mayors in the history of NYC.

The congestion charge is nowhere on the DNC's radar nationally. The mayor of the largest city in the country engaging in blatant quid pro quo with a president from another party, certainly is.

Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by epistasis on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:20PM (#43989778)
I'm not quite following here. What is Hochul supposed to do about Adams? The DoJ suit against Adams didn't happen until a month after the DNC. Blatant quid pro quo with a president from another party couldn't have happened until long after the DNC.
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by chimeracoder on Thursday May 15, 2025 @12:30PM (#43996674)
> I'm not quite following here. What is Hochul supposed to do about Adams?

Remove him from office? That's a power the governor has, and which the previous governor (Cuomo) threatened to use for petty personal disagreements with the previous mayor (DeBlasio), so actually invoking it to remove someone who has been indicted on federal charges is clearly fair game.

> The DoJ suit against Adams didn't happen until a month after the DNC.

The indictment didn't happen until the fall, but Adams had his home raided and phone seized long before that. The perjury also happened before that, I believe.

Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by listenallyall on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:00PM (#43989654)
This guy is so cool, he uses the word "ratfucked"! Twice! Not just "fucked", but "ratfucked". Of course, congestion pricing was in fact implemented and remains in effect, so maybe not entirely "ratfucked"? Guess I'm not cool enough to understand. And because of his choice of words, people who are unfamiliar with this project don't even know what action(s) Kathy Hochul actually took that was/were detrimental.
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by fundaThree on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:06PM (#43989698)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

I honestly have no clue what beef you have with me, or if you even disagree, but thanks for calling me cool.

> What was the reason she gave for not ratfucking it a second time?

Still waiting on an answer that it seems you might be capable of providing rather than acting like a dick

Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by highpost on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:49PM (#43989990)
My guess is that she lacks the essential political skill of reading the room. It's not like NYC is the first city to attempt congestion pricing. Anyone who has spent any time in London can see its benefits. So I think Hochul had her political focus on the wrong things.

It took a lot of time and effort to bring the stakeholders together for congestion pricing. And to withhold her approval at the last moment was shocking. It's hard to imagine what she was really thinking and even harder to understand how she felt she would be rewarded for it. That's not a real answer to your question, but her reasoning on both congestion pricing and Eric Adams just seems opaque.

Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by Demiurge on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:09PM (#43989710)
Perhaps it's a social sign for being one of the NYC local. They also referred to a person by a single name, further emphasizing they were speaking to the select few who would know what they were talking about.

If only they could also write with a heavy NYC accent, their comment would be even cooler. Forget about it.

Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by fundaThree on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:10PM (#43989718)
I live in DC
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by Demiurge on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:17PM (#43989758)
That's interesting. It must be that I associate rats with NYC. You used some terms that not everyone is familair with, I jump to the wrong conclusion, taking some guesses as to what you're talking about, and here we are.
Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by singleshot_ on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:31PM (#43989864)
ratfucking as a term in political context was dramatically popularized by the movie All the President’s Men, where a (historical) character describes his covert political actions thusly.

Accordingly, it’s a dc

Re:Everything That Has Changed Since Congestion Pricing Star... by singleshot_ on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @08:36PM (#43990643)
Term, not one I would ordinarily associate with an actual rat infestation or with NYc.