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Re:Paul McCartney, Elton John and other creatives demand AI ... by tedivm on Monday May 12, 2025 @10:18AM (#43963234)
I think calling this "scraping" is hiding an important point. Scraping tends to mean crawling the web and pulling down stuff people put up. In the US (and yes, I know that this is a UK article) it is legal to scrape, with the idea being that if people responded to the request that's on them. This is why lots of sites have login gates to access data, since to log in you have to agree to a TOS.

AI companies haven't just been scraping, they've been pirating. I think it's important because people consent to put their comments on websites, but authors don't consent to have their work stolen. Mixing the two together as if they are the same is an attempt by AI companies to muddy the ethical waters a bit more than I'm comfortable with.

Re:Paul McCartney, Elton John and other creatives demand AI ... by graemep on Monday May 12, 2025 @10:39AM (#43963524)
Its not necessarily OK with comments. A lot of people posted comments before LLMs, a lot of people posted comments in places with T & Cs that said the comments would be used in connection with the service.

Because I consented to a comment being posted on a website to be read by people does not mean I consented to it being used to train LLMs.

Re:Paul McCartney, Elton John and other creatives demand AI ... by alganet on Monday May 12, 2025 @11:10AM (#43963925)
Terms of service cannot override the law.

For example, lots of TOS make the works of users property of the platform owners. All of that can stop being relevant if that practice becomes illegal.

People consented to put their comments publicly, they didn't consented to feeding a machine that steals their ideas. One ruling establishing that the wording on the terms is not good enough, and all of that can fall.

Re:Paul McCartney, Elton John and other creatives demand AI ... by tedivm on Monday May 12, 2025 @12:43PM (#43964978)
No one said that TOS's override the law.

If you shout something in public, someone might hear you. If you shout in a locked house they won't hear you unless they break in.

If you post something publicly on the internet, then people can look at it. If you post something privately on the internet, people have to agree to your terms to view it.

That's it, that's the logic the government uses to allow website scraping.

Re:Paul McCartney, Elton John and other creatives demand AI ... by alganet on Monday May 12, 2025 @10:42PM (#43969263)
It doesn't matter who does it. Government, private sector, individuals. It's a gray area for all, and a risk for all.
Re:Paul McCartney, Elton John and other creatives demand AI ... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Monday May 12, 2025 @12:36PM (#43964904)
FWIW, the proposed amendment never uses the word "scraping". It's only used in the title from The Register.