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Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by 90s_dev on Saturday May 10, 2025 @10:34PM (#43950824)
> the fact is that inventing a supernatural thing

And therein lies my point: the purpose of Aquinas was purely to explain preexisting Catholic theology, using Aristotle as a starting point. He invented nothing.

You can say "the Catholic Church invented the soul to explain [etc]" and then I'd just push it back to Christianity itself, and if you'd concede on that, we'd have resolved my initial argument.

Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by Den_VR on Sunday May 11, 2025 @12:50AM (#43951486)
Looking through a historical lens, dating back to the Renaissance, the notion of reasoning one’s way to God without faith or the Church was itself heretical. Doubtless things have happened since then, but I agree it was seen as important start from preexisting Catholic theology.
Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by schoen on Sunday May 11, 2025 @01:00AM (#43951540)
Can you explain what you're referring to about the heresy here? My impression is that Christianity traditionally taught that natural theology is possible but is incomplete, in the sense that people could rationally conclude that God exists, but that they would not learn "enough" about him without revelation.

Many Christian theologians attempted to demonstrate the existence of God rationally, so I don't know what about that process would have been considered heretical in its own right. I'd agree that the claim (associated with Deists, for example) that one could have a complete religion based exclusively on reason with no revelation, or that all purported divine revelations are untrustworthy, would have been considered heretical.

Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by yehoshuapw on Sunday May 11, 2025 @02:47AM (#43951913)
not Christian, However see maimonides.

The first rabbi who goes the above path - and during his time, his books were often burnt.

Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by 90s_dev on Sunday May 11, 2025 @02:15AM (#43951806)
> the notion of reasoning one’s way to God without faith or the Church was itself heretical

It still is, according to Catholicism, which says you must have reason and faith in the divine revelation it claims to preserve, which reveals some aspects of God and reality that we cannot reach or conclude with pure reason alone, such as the Blessed Virgin Mary's Immaculate Conception (BVMIC for short) or the Trinity (T for short).