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Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by zpeti on Saturday May 10, 2025 @09:59PM (#43950632)
> Initially, it was a big step down

Is this really true though? Being an agricultural feudal society is much much worse than the dreamy view we have of farming these days, and almost everyone even today chooses to work in a factory rather than a farm if they have that choice, in china, Africa, everywhere.

We have this image of gloomy coal powered cities being the worst place possible but in fact it was still better than the alternatives

Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by achierius on Saturday May 10, 2025 @10:14PM (#43950719)
They were not. In brief, we know this because of both individual accounts -- people were quite verbal about preferring the life of an independent peasant to that of the 'servant-like' factory worker -- and aggregate demographic trends, which show that peasants primarily moved into the cities during hard times, when famine and economic woes made their previous lifestyle impossible.

Cities at the time were charnel houses -- even worse, I think, than the popular imagining of them today. The rate of death in London, as well as in other cities during the revolution, was so high that it needed a constant inward flow of immigrants to even maintain its population. Without the safer, more livable countryside to provide a continuous supply of fresh meat for the mills, those cities would have depopulated through a combination of plague, malnutrition, violence, and workplace injury.

Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by beloch on Saturday May 10, 2025 @10:37PM (#43950840)
Labour laws were a big problem. e.g. In the early stages of the revolution in England, it was illegal to leave your job and take another one. It was a choice between poor pay/unsafe working conditions and jail. Even once workers won the right to find jobs elsewhere, pay was still so poor that entire families, including children, had to work for families to stay afloat.
Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by zpeti on Thursday May 15, 2025 @03:02PM (#43998204)
> which show that peasants primarily moved into the cities during hard times, when famine and economic woes made their previous lifestyle impossible

this is exactly the point. Your children might only starve every 10 years, but when they do, a consistent factory work seems like a much better life. Just because you had 9/10 non-starving years doesn't mean the starving year is ok.

Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by anigbrowl on Saturday May 10, 2025 @10:34PM (#43950822)
Feudalism isn't necessarily that bad if your environment is stable. A lot of people moved into industry during the 18th and 19th centuries not because working the land was so awful to begin with, but because it became increasingly untenable as formerly public lands were privatized by legal fiat, and private landholdings were aggressively consolidated. Around the beginning of the Industrial revolution, the number of private landowners in the UK fell by over 80%, from about 1 person out of every 60 to 1 in 600 or so (the population grew about 25% over the same period).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_act has an OK overview but is a bit thin and just a starting point. The political upheavals still echo in British politics today. I think it's fair to say that some of the changes were driven by the lure of profit (and associated national revenue) and some out of a desire to avert a domestic repeat of the American and French revolutions.

Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by zmgsabst on Saturday May 10, 2025 @10:06PM (#43950657)
It was worse for people like the Luddites, who had artisanal jobs replaced by machinery.

They were so angry about their fall in circumstance they revolted (and have been slandered by capitalists since).

Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by BugheadTorpeda5 on Sunday May 11, 2025 @01:20AM (#43951616)
You don't know what you are talking about. Strangely, you ask a question, which you then proceed to answer. So you don't even seem very confident about the false things you are saying.
Re:Pope Leo XIV: "AI poses new challenges re: human dignity,... by keybored on Sunday May 11, 2025 @07:56AM (#43953182)
You talk about dreamy and “this image of”. What are you sources for these views? Your own images?