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Re:Why you can't be anything you want to be by _delirium on Thursday August 16, 2012 @02:29PM (#4392841)
The general arguments are that it's worth sacrificing some of the top end to reduce the severity of the bottom end, partly for ethical and partly for economic reasons. The hypothesis is that in successful Western societies, at least, the majority of value is not created by people who are working solely to avoid dying. And therefore there is no great loss if we remove fear of dying from the list of motivators to work.

The hope is that it can be administered in a way such that it will not greatly harm incentives to be successful either, merely dampen the curve by some percentage: so there are still rich and poor people, but the rich people maybe will only be 20x as rich as the poor instead of 200x. It's still much better to be successful than to be on welfare, both in terms of prestige and social standing, and material comfort (you can think of it as an order-preserving nonlinear mapping). And there are some arguments that it may help economically in some cases: by raising the floor of what bad outcomes look like, it becomes more plausible for individuals who don't have a family safety net to take risks.

As for what possible societal benefit, the Scandinavian societies are fairly nice places to live, partly as a result, though making like-for-like comparisons in economics is notoriously difficult. They certainly have lower levels of severe poverty, crime, homelessness, etc. But there are many books arguing for and against these views, so I'm not sure I can convince you in a comment.

Re:Why you can't be anything you want to be by tryitnow on Thursday August 16, 2012 @04:38PM (#4393533)
Well stated.

"And therefore there is no great loss if we remove fear of dying from the list of motivators to work."

It's unbelievable that our species is still debating whether or not "fear of dying" should be a motivator of everyday behavior at work.

Re:Why you can't be anything you want to be by osdf on Thursday August 16, 2012 @04:52PM (#4393604)
In particular for all free-market-lovers, 'fear of dying' makes the labour market (just as an example) pretty unfree ...
Re:Why you can't be anything you want to be by crusso on Thursday August 16, 2012 @04:53PM (#4393607)
who are working solely to avoid dying

Find the US city where you'll die if you don't have a job. This supposition is simply untrue.

Re:Why you can't be anything you want to be by lambda on Thursday August 16, 2012 @06:48PM (#4394071)
Not having a job generally means you won't have health insurance, nor an income, and thus won't have access to non-emergency health care. Recent estimates are that there are about 45,000 excess deaths annually due to lack of health insurance (source: http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-find...).

Furthermore, homelessness and malnutrition also increase the death rate. There are lots of homeless and hungry people in the US.

So while you might not immediately die due to being unemployed, as there are a variety of safety nets, being without a job will, statistically decrease your expected lifespan. Food assistance does not prevent people from going hungry. Homeless shelters are packed to the brim, and in some cases quite unsafe. You can't get non-emergency care if you are unemployed and broke, at least until Obamacare kicks in (or if you are covered by Romneycare).

Re:Why you can't be anything you want to be by brycecolquitt on Thursday August 16, 2012 @05:29PM (#4393755)
Literally die the hour you lose your job? No. But lose a job and become homeless? Or desperately find another job that barely supports your family and you end up living in poverty in a neighborhood with high crime? Almost every major US city.
Re:Why you can't be anything you want to be by ReadEvalPost on Thursday August 16, 2012 @05:30PM (#4393768)
I don't think delirium was suggesting someone would keel over and die after N weeks without a job. Rather, not having a job makes paying for healthcare, eating well, owning or renting a home difficult or impossible (these are difficult for many people with jobs!). All of these are significant factors in increasing both life expectancy and quality of life.

While working solely to live longer and live decently doesn't have quite the same ring as working solely to avoid dying, the meaning of his statement seems clear.