Deno's Decline - Hackdot

Re:Deno's Decline by ho_lee_phuk on Thursday May 01, 2025 @08:15PM (#43864842)

People are going to downvote me for saying this, but because JavaScript's built-in batteries are so weak, everyone re-invents them all the time in slightly different ways.

  - How do you build a Rust project? With cargo
  - How about the Go project? With the Go tool
  - How do you build a backend JavaScript project? - node, yarn (with different incompatible yarn versions), bun, and 5 other types of tools

I manage a 100+ engineer team, and any time an engineer complains about our Python stack being unwieldy, I propose they work on frontend tooling for a week.

JavaScript tooling makes Python tooling fragmentation look sane.

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Re:Deno's Decline by steezeburger on Thursday May 01, 2025 @09:19PM (#43865212)

How can you possibly realistically manage a 100+ engineer team? 100+ direct reports?

Also, the Python landscape is just as bad as frontend! And I enjoy writing both quite a bit. Pip, pipenv, pyenv, poetry, conda, virtualenv, uv, ruff, black, pep8, etc, etc. They both need massive improvements.

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Re:Deno's Decline by ho_lee_phuk on Thursday May 01, 2025 @09:57PM (#43865391)

> How can you possibly realistically manage a 100+ engineer team? 100+ direct reports?

They report to engineering managers who report to me.

> Also, the Python landscape is just as bad as frontend! And I enjoy writing both quite a bit. Pip, pipenv, pyenv, poetry, conda, virtualenv, uv, ruff, black, pep8, etc, etc. They both need massive improvements.

Yeah, it is bad, but a notch better. Most things in Python land are 5-year-olds. 5-year-old React or Vue codebases (the two most popular frameworks) are not backward-compatible with the current release.

And we cannot stay on old versions as we have a government as a customer who requires SBOM, and SBOM declaring unmaintained dependencies creates even more trouble than upgrading frontends regularly!

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