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Re:Full power outage in Spain and Portugal by ethbr1 on Monday April 28, 2025 @10:09AM (#43821701)
Wow! Battery capacity has gotten cheap.

It's always fascinated me during disasters how independent telecomm can be. Kudos for all the engineering that went into it!

I.e. even when any other conceivable dependency is down, the networks keep running.

Re:Full power outage in Spain and Portugal by p_l on Monday April 28, 2025 @11:29AM (#43822565)
Depending on country there are sometimes very strict requirements - or just traditions sometimes - around building up strong survivability in face of total loss of grid power. Including diesel and turbine generators on bigger BTSes let alone exchanges. If you drop capacity per terminal (so bandwidth) you can cover a lot more range at times which helps with mobile network resiliency.
Re:Full power outage in Spain and Portugal by Scoundreller on Monday April 28, 2025 @01:34PM (#43823926)
> Including diesel and turbine generators on bigger BTSes let alone exchanges.

Or if you’re AT&T, grid natural gas backup, so your CO goes down if electrical and natural gas both go out once the batteries die. Did I mention how they didn’t build in roll-up generator connection points and had to emergency install those?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25539586

Re:Full power outage in Spain and Portugal by myself248 on Monday April 28, 2025 @11:54AM (#43822872)
Old-school PSTN folks looked at XKCD 705 and chuckled. Late to the party, pal.

The telephone network was designed from the ground up to be completely independent of _everything_ except fuel deliveries. If grid power is up, that's convenient, but it's totally not required.

In many places, that's because telegraph and telephone lines got there before the power grid did. Lines running along railroads connected communities that had no centralized power generation. Delco-light plants at individual farms might be the only electric power for miles, aside from the communications lines themselves. Even if the only phone was at the rail depot, it still had to power itself somehow. As those communities sprouted their own telephone offices and subscriber lines branching throughout town, the office had its own batteries for primary power, and eventually generators to recharge them. (Telegraph networks largely ran from just batteries, recharged chemically rather than with generators, for years.)

Fast-forward a century and there was just never a need to depend on anything else. As long as the diesel bowser can get down the driveway, the office can run indefinitely.

Among old AT&T/Bell/WECo hands, the devotion to reliable service goes far beyond fanatical. Many offices built during the cold-war have showers in the basement and a room of shelf-stable food, though these are no longer maintained. The expectation was that whoever was in the office when the bombs dropped, would keep things running as long as they could. And when they couldn't anymore, well, there was probably nobody left to call anyway.

Re:Full power outage in Spain and Portugal by 7373737373 on Monday April 28, 2025 @01:00PM (#43823568)
Re:Full power outage in Spain and Portugal by rcarmo on Monday April 28, 2025 @05:15PM (#43826195)
Batteries lasted almost 8h but they progressively cut down services until we barely had voice.