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Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by kristopolous on Friday April 25, 2025 @11:50PM (#43800781)
It's pretty constant on hn. People paint everything from country X, holistically, with some broad and blunt moral brush.

It reads like a cartoon. Everything from China is loaded with secret spyware snooping on you for countless unspecified evils - everything out of Russia by anyone is part of some secret global propaganda network.

I point it out as absurd and reductive whenever I see it and people dogpile on me like I desecrated a sacred cow.

The world is incredibly complex and a simple label doesn't cut it. Wernher von Braun was a Nazi but that doesn't mean his work on rocketry was fictional lies.

You need to assess things based on the merits of the thing, not on any narratives of attributive associations you're choosing to assign.

Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by Braxton1980 on Saturday April 26, 2025 @12:19AM (#43800904)
>everything out of Russia by anyone is part of some secret global propaganda network.

Who has claimed all Russians are part of a large propaganda network. This is about a government news network.

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Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by Braxton1980 on Saturday April 26, 2025 @01:20AM (#43801138)
The US government is also framed the same way on HN, though I don't like this metrics gathering method.

Most discussions are of the war in Ukraine which also connects to US politics. It's going to be negative and treated extremely suspect because Putin is ex KGB, lied that he wouldn't invade, the war itself, and their influence in US elections.

This is about the Russian government though. If your argument is that it's wrong in these constraints then I disagree but your generalization is valid. My original comment was about Russia as a whole but I think I wrong to try to shift to that as it doesn't come up

Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by habinero on Saturday April 26, 2025 @01:10AM (#43801111)
Russia interfered with our elections and is actively hostile to us. It's not a meme, it's real.
Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by SR2Z on Saturday April 26, 2025 @12:23AM (#43800922)
Yes but in this case, the dude in question was uncritically parroting Russian propaganda - as do most people on RT, since that's its purpose.
Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by j4coh on Saturday April 26, 2025 @01:50AM (#43801251)
Why use a non-example to mention it though?
Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by shermantanktop on Saturday April 26, 2025 @02:31AM (#43801398)
Sometimes focusing on each of the individual puppets distracts you from who is pulling the strings.
Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by gitremote on Saturday April 26, 2025 @02:50AM (#43801459)
State media in fascist dictatorships don't reflect the diversity of their people. It is untrue that humans of any nationality have free speech and a free press as a check against their government's actions. It is untrue that any country's government is legally obligated to transparency that is required in a democracy.

When people say that Russian and Chinese state media are propaganda, it is not always because they are racists. Many people say this because they make a distinction between a government and the people, and understand the difference democracy makes.

It's great that you're trying to emphasize with people in other countries. Empathize deeper and think through how it must be like to live in such a political environment to their full conclusions.

Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by keybored on Saturday April 26, 2025 @07:18AM (#43802627)
The media in liberal democracies don’t reflect the diversity of their people.
Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by gitremote on Saturday April 26, 2025 @10:14AM (#43803814)
The media in liberal democracies reflect the diversity of their people more than state media in a fascist dictatorship that jails dissenters, critics, and oppresses ethnic and/or gender and sexual minorities. Human rights, free speech, and a free press are the bare minimum before you tackle other problems like affinity bias in hiring.

You are engaging in the logical fallacy and propaganda tactic called whataboutism.* If people genuinely care about diversity and challenging bias, they wouldn't uncritically view an unelected president (or an elected president chosen in a country without free elections) as the spokesperson for their ethnic group.

* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by keybored on Saturday April 26, 2025 @02:43PM (#43806098)
I know about Whataboutism. Thanks. It’s a perfectly reasonable rthetorical strategy.[1][2]

You are engaging in the logical fallacy of making a true statement about fascist dictatorships which is skewed to, by implicit comparison, imply that the thing in question is the case elsewhere (elsewhere here being liberal democracies because that’s the most common comparison and also where most people in these discussions live). Media in liberal democracies do not reflect the diversity of their people, no.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6VCzhWy-Kk

[2] How do I know? Because it’s the only reply you get 90% of the time when replying to these kinds of statements.

Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by gitremote on Sunday April 27, 2025 @09:24AM (#43811741)
Russia's invasion of Ukraine is just as colonialist as the US invasion of Iraq.
Re:Wikipedia’s nonprofit status questioned by D.C. U.S. atto... by keybored on Sunday April 27, 2025 @02:31PM (#43814073)
They’re both colonialist wars. Do you have a point or are you just fishing for a particular response?