Re:Pope Francis Has Died
by harshreality on Monday April 21, 2025 @07:47AM
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During WW2, much rhetoric within and between the Allies was about eliminating the Nazi threat. Things change once there's a conclusion to a hot war and you can start evaluating people individually because they're not (hopefully) shooting back at you anymore.
The ICJ is empathetically captured by the suffering of innocent Gazans. Nevertheless, the suffering of innocent Gazans is not Israel's problem as Israel is trying to prosecute a war against Hamas, as long as Hamas is intentionally hiding behind and under civilians and civilian infrastructure, and as long as Israel isn't intentionally bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure without a justifiable military target behind or underneath them. The idea that the ICJ is going to second-guess every military risk-justification analysis of "we might hit this many civilians, or a hospital, or a mosque, to get a few known Hamas militants or a weapons cache" is absurd. I don't know if Israel is getting it right. I do know that the ICJ can't possibly get it right, because they will disbelieve everything Israel says, and believe most Hamas-influenced Gazan representations.
Israel could have carpet bombed Gaza without warning anyone to move, without doing roof knocking etc. But they did warn, and they got roasted by the international community for being so inhumane as to herd people out of their homes. Israel just can't win in the court of Palestine-sympathetic international opinion.
You asked whether Israel will kill millions to avenge thousands.
It doesn't seem as much like vengeance, as a refusal to continue to sit and do nothing while Hamas uses, or tries to use Israel for Qassam rocket target practice. (Iron dome and Iron Beam aren't perfect, and I'd expect low-flying IED drones if this conflict continues.)
The Gaza Health Ministry (which is basically Hamas propaganda) estimates 50k dead. How do you see the death toll getting into the millions, unless you think Israel is going to abandon its current tactics and start massive bombing campaigns in areas without warning people first, or unless the war goes on for decades?
The ICJ is empathetically captured by the suffering of innocent Gazans. Nevertheless, the suffering of innocent Gazans is not Israel's problem as Israel is trying to prosecute a war against Hamas, as long as Hamas is intentionally hiding behind and under civilians and civilian infrastructure, and as long as Israel isn't intentionally bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure without a justifiable military target behind or underneath them. The idea that the ICJ is going to second-guess every military risk-justification analysis of "we might hit this many civilians, or a hospital, or a mosque, to get a few known Hamas militants or a weapons cache" is absurd. I don't know if Israel is getting it right. I do know that the ICJ can't possibly get it right, because they will disbelieve everything Israel says, and believe most Hamas-influenced Gazan representations.
Israel could have carpet bombed Gaza without warning anyone to move, without doing roof knocking etc. But they did warn, and they got roasted by the international community for being so inhumane as to herd people out of their homes. Israel just can't win in the court of Palestine-sympathetic international opinion.
You asked whether Israel will kill millions to avenge thousands.
It doesn't seem as much like vengeance, as a refusal to continue to sit and do nothing while Hamas uses, or tries to use Israel for Qassam rocket target practice. (Iron dome and Iron Beam aren't perfect, and I'd expect low-flying IED drones if this conflict continues.)
The Gaza Health Ministry (which is basically Hamas propaganda) estimates 50k dead. How do you see the death toll getting into the millions, unless you think Israel is going to abandon its current tactics and start massive bombing campaigns in areas without warning people first, or unless the war goes on for decades?