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Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by jay_kyburz on Thursday April 17, 2025 @04:42PM (#43722018)
Can I ask a serious question. What task are you writing where its ok to get 7% error rate. I can't get my head around how this can be used.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by 16bytes on Thursday April 17, 2025 @05:53PM (#43722644)
There are tons of AI/ML use-cases where 7% is acceptable.

Historically speaking, if you had a 15% word error rate in speech recognition, it would generally be considered useful. 7% would be performing well, and <5% would be near the top of the market.

Typically, your error rate just needs to be below the usefulness threshold and in many cases the cost of errors is pretty small.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by omneity on Thursday April 17, 2025 @04:48PM (#43722075)
In my case, I have workloads like this where it’s possible to verify the correctness of the result after inference, so any success rate is better than 0 as it’s possible to identify the “good ones”.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by nonethewiser on Thursday April 17, 2025 @08:10PM (#43723612)
Aren’t you basically just saying you are able to measure the error rate? I mean that’s good, but already a given in this scenario where hes reporting the 7% error rate.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by jsnell on Thursday April 17, 2025 @09:02PM (#43723902)
No. If you're able to verify correctness of individual items of work, you can accept the 93% of verified items as-is and send the remaining 7% to some more expensive slow path.

That's very different from just knowing the aggregate error rate.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday April 18, 2025 @04:31PM (#43731617)
No, it's anything that's harder to write than verify. A simple example is a logic puzzle; it's hard to come up with a solution, but once you have a possible answer it's really easy to check it. In fact, it can be easier to vet multiple answers and tell the machine to try again than solve it once manually.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by spruce_tips on Thursday April 17, 2025 @04:46PM (#43722057)
low stakes text classification but it's something that needs to be done and couldnt be done in reasonable time frames or at reasonable price points by humans
Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by dist-epoch on Thursday April 17, 2025 @05:00PM (#43722158)
Not OP, but for stuff like social networks spam/manipulation 7% error rate is fine
Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by wavewrangler on Thursday April 17, 2025 @06:15PM (#43722798)
Yeah, general propaganda and psyops are actually more effective around 12% - 15%, we find it is more accurate to the user base, thus is questioned less for standing out more /s
Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by muzani on Friday April 18, 2025 @02:06AM (#43725453)
I expect some manual correction after the work is done. I actually mentally counted all the times I pressed backspace while writing this paragraph, and it comes down to 45. I'm not counting the next paragraph or changing the number.

Humans make a ton of errors as well. I didn't even notice how many I was making here until I started counting it. AI is super useful to just write get a first draft out, not for the final work.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Flash by sroussey on Friday April 18, 2025 @04:15PM (#43731498)
You could be OCRing a page that includes a summation line, then add up all the numbers and check against the sum.