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Re:Why we can't stop birds downing aircraft by ryanwaggoner on Friday January 16, 2009 @02:24PM (#437118)
Why don't we just outfit aircraft with a miniature Phalanx system that calculates the trajectory of an incoming bird and the probability of an engine strike and then fires up a Gatling gun to neutralize the threat :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

In all seriousness, I wonder if some kind of laser-based defense system could be used as a last resort.

Re:Why we can't stop birds downing aircraft by jm4 on Friday January 16, 2009 @03:25PM (#437211)
I'd say it's a ways off considering how many years they've spent trying to shoot down much larger missiles with lasers. A missile moves much faster than a bird, but the small size of a bird is going to make it extremely difficult. There's also the issue of how to deal with a flock of birds. This, of course, is assuming you've figured out how to cost-effectively equip hundreds of passenger jets with lasers and the necessary tracking systems given the space constraints. I understand power is also an issue when shooting down missiles. I'm not sure how significantly this requirement is reduced when shooting down birds.

There's also the issue of using a weapon over heavily populated areas and at low altitude. Shooting down a missile will probably take place at high altitude. It's also possible, or even likely, that it will take place over a sparsely populated area or war zone. It could even be over an ocean. The laser might even be fired upwards. If you're shooting down birds from a plane there's a good chance you're going to be firing a laser outward or downward. What if you miss and start blasting holes through nearby buildings?

Bird strikes tend to be a problem most often during takeoff and landing-- usually at either end of the runway. Planes gain altitude so quickly that it's rarely a problem outside of a couple short windows as the plane is approaching or leaving the runway area. I remember reading about an airport with an especially bad bird problem that had success using dogs to keep birds away from the runways.

I think there is a simple solution to this. It might even be possible to put plants or grass around the runway that birds don't like. What about something with thorns that will be difficult for a bird to perch on? Or maybe something with a particular scent that birds will stay away from?

Re:Why we can't stop birds downing aircraft by rtra on Friday January 16, 2009 @07:41PM (#437556)
Yes, it would probably be too costly, require too much energy, and would not effectively neutralize flocks. I wonder if a small cannon wouldn't be acceptable.
Re:Why we can't stop birds downing aircraft by dag on Friday January 16, 2009 @06:52PM (#437502)
I suggest using predator birds and (directable) loud noise, either high-pitched or predator birdcalls.
Re:Why we can't stop birds downing aircraft by rtra on Friday January 16, 2009 @07:47PM (#437566)
That could be a perfect solution, but given the high relative speeds it's probably not possible. I take it must be pretty difficult to detect even a flock of birds at the the necessary distance.
Re:Why we can't stop birds downing aircraft by jm4 on Saturday January 17, 2009 @06:11AM (#437999)
It could be effective on the ground around the runway where the birds hang out until a plane flies into them.
Re:Why we can't stop birds downing aircraft by bd on Friday January 16, 2009 @10:24PM (#437696)
You could crowd source the targeting - make it arcade game for passengers. Winners get frequent flyer points.
Re:Why we can't stop birds downing aircraft by Eliezer on Friday January 16, 2009 @06:29PM (#437466)
How about air-to-bird missiles?
Re:Why we can't stop birds downing aircraft by mechanical_fish on Friday January 16, 2009 @05:22PM (#437372)
This should do wonders for property values near airports. ;)