America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufacturing Back

Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by Kirby64 on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:19PM (#43707224)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

Literally forced labor camps. Of course, the PRC denies these allegations, but it certainly seems like there's some forced labor due to the numerous reports across many years of a variety of forced labor operations from these camps.

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Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by makeitshine on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @08:11PM (#43711707)

The US has forced prison labor. We can talk about how bad the Chinese government is, but their economy is not built on forced labor anymore than the US is built on prison labor.

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Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by Kirby64 on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @09:16PM (#43712099)

I also think any form of forced work in the US prison system is pretty awful, but don’t try to equivocate Chinese “reeducation” camps with regular prison. Not anywhere close to the same thing.

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Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by ta20240528 on Thursday April 17, 2025 @05:57AM (#43714778)

Have you asked any of the inmates at the Angola "working farm" in Louisiana?

Apparently 63% are serving life terms, 27% more than 20 years.

Doesn't seem worse than China's attempt to iron out a seditious, violent sub-culture that was actually detonating bombs amongst civilians? Most seem to have closed, so the maximum term < 10 years.

Neither are good ideas IMHO - but one way worse than the other? Come now.

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Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by Kirby64 on Thursday April 17, 2025 @01:53PM (#43720166)

> Neither are good ideas IMHO - but one way worse than the other? Come now.

Inmates in any prison in the US ostensibly have gone through due process and were convicted of their crimes. You can argue about whether the US justice system is truly fair, but it's (at least in historic years) certainly more fair than rounding up large portions of a specific ethnic minority for 'reeducation'.

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Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by ta20240528 on Friday April 18, 2025 @06:28AM (#43726681)

I would argue that in the 21st century being convicted of a crime does not make your labour essentially free to the state for the rest of your life.

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Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by SlightlyLeftPad on Friday April 18, 2025 @12:02PM (#43729320)

Exactly, a notion of free prison labor incentivizes discrimination and as we see it that is often how it plays out in reality.

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Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by Clubber on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:19PM (#43707225)

Simple google search, first result:

https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studie...

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Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by SlightlyLeftPad on Saturday April 19, 2025 @05:55PM (#43739784)

This doesn’t entirely prove that China is much worse off than the US here, since we appear to be comparing. It’s pretty clear that US has a lot of room for improvement at 3.3/thousand people compared to China’s 4.

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