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Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by polski-g on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:40PM (#43700857)
We have a 2tn deficit. If Congress wants to fund this, they need to make it mandatory spending and raise taxes.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by viraptor on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:49PM (#43700916)
That's a good idea to raise during the budget time or with some warning ahead of time. But even discussing the cost of CVE program itself is likely a waste of time and money. When trying to deal with 2tn deficit, looking at things that historically got ~$5M is just a distraction. And the lack of it may cost even more given how many existing agreements/contracts rely on cve to be a thing - maybe just in gov lawyers having to rewrite things.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by rgreek42 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:57PM (#43700956)
Selling bonds is not the same thing as a family budget being in the red. Either you know this and you're making this argument in bad faith, or you don't and, well...
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:44PM (#43700875)
Or cut from $877B in defense spending instead?

https://usafacts.org/government-spending/

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by xphos on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:19PM (#43701097)
Listen, I hate the debt, but we have an income problem, not a spending problem. The military looks like a waste, but it does more than build bombs i.e research etc.

The issue we have is that republican every chance they get since the 1970s have cut taxes. And then blamed democrats for causing the deficits. We don't need smaller governments. We need a reasonable tax system that taxes people. It can be progressive like it was before we decided rich people just need it easier than poor people.

Yes, I will pay more taxes sign me up, especially if they can finally fix the roads and fund research. The problem is my taxes as a middle-class person go up and rich people get a tax cut. It's stupid. I like water provided by government utilities, I like planes that don't crash into stuff because there are air traffic controllers. These things used to work because we paid for them. When you buy cheap you get cheap.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by matteotom on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:26PM (#43701142)
Yeah republicans claim to want to run the government like a business, but the first thing a business should do when they have a deficit is raise revenue! And especially in the case of the US government, the the only barriers to doing that are self-imposed.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by dboreham on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:25PM (#43701134)
Military also employs a bunch of people who otherwise would be poor. Also provides a gentrification path for a bunch of previously poor people extending throughout their lives.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by LPisGood on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:17AM (#43701744)
Yes, a big part of the size is because the military is a massive and horrendously inefficient jobs, education, housing, and healthcare program.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by throitallaway on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:25AM (#43701786)
Don't forget all the beak-wetting that happens along the way when signing contracts etc. That's where an actual difference could be made.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by mrguyorama on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @03:06PM (#43709157)
I think people VASTLY overestimate the amount of graft in military procurement.

Lockheed only has a $100b market cap. Raytheon has $200b. General Dynamics $74b

The reality is that US defense spending pays American designers and American laborers high prices for their American effort. We pay basically the same prices for ammo and supplies and services as other countries.

When we pay $13 billion for an aircraft carrier, that's just what it costs to build a gigantic boat with nuclear reactors. The French paid $4 billion for their aircraft carrier, and a $12 billion Gerald R. Ford class is over twice as large as the Charles de Gaulle (40k tons vs 100k tons), and much much much more advanced.

Americans love to misunderstand the cost of military things. They will scream about the F35's $1.5 trillion "price tag", ignoring that the estimate is for 50 years of operations and maintenance as well as initial purchase. Actual purchase price is about $90 million a plane, which is reasonable. Which makes sense, since being not stupidly overpriced was a key point of the program. The operational cost is about $40k a flight hour, which is roughly the same as the F-14, another high tech superplane program.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by LPisGood on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @04:53PM (#43710273)
40k per flight hour is actually extremely reasonable for an advanced aircraft - good luck trying to charter a large cabin private jet for cheaper.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:07AM (#43701336)
Republicans control Congress, this is bait
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by tootie on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:17PM (#43701083)
This is an absolute pittance compared to the total budget. And considering the current administration wants a $4T tax cut they are not interested in trimming the deficit at all.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by throitallaway on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:15AM (#43701389)
Yep, DOGE is a song and dance distraction. If they were serious about lowering the deficit they wouldn't have laid off ~12K IRS workers (whom show a 7x ROI per head.) They also wouldn't be asking to increase the military budget to $1 trillion per year. Trump has spent 1/3 of his days in office so far golfing; $30 million+ so far paid to Trump properties for the privilege of that. This is the biggest capture in US history and it's all out in the open.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by chris_wot on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:08PM (#43701022)
Dear god, you don't just stop running government completely because you have a deficit.