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Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by umanwizard on Monday April 14, 2025 @01:21PM (#43683708)
Btw, as someone who agrees with your point, what’s the actual answer to this?
Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by n2d4 on Monday April 14, 2025 @01:38PM (#43683946)
Of these, some are mostly obsolete: GPT-4 and GPT-4 Turbo are worse than GPT-4o in both speed and capabilities. o1 is worse than o3-mini-high in most aspects.

Then, some are not available yet: o3 and o4-mini. GPT-4.1 I haven't played with enough to give you my opinion on.

Among the rest, it depends on what you're looking for:

Multi-modal: GPT-4o > everything else

Reasoning: o1-pro > o3-mini-high > o3-mini

Speed: GPT-4o > o3-mini > o3-mini-high > o1-pro

(My personal favorite is o3-mini-high for most things, as it has a good tradeoff between speed and reasoning. Although I use 4o for simpler queries.)

Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by Y_Y on Monday April 14, 2025 @02:10PM (#43684356)
So where was o1-pro in the comparisons in OpenAI's article? I just don't trust any of these first party benchmarks any more.
Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by umanwizard on Monday April 14, 2025 @02:58PM (#43684822)
Is 4.5 not strictly better than 4o?
Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by minimaxir on Monday April 14, 2025 @01:29PM (#43683816)
It depends on how you define "capability" since that's different for reasoning and nonreasoning models.
Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by henlobenlo on Monday April 14, 2025 @01:28PM (#43683806)
Whats the problem, for the layman it doesnt actually matter, and for the experts, its usually very obvious which model to use.
Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by DiscourseFan on Monday April 14, 2025 @01:37PM (#43683941)
LLMs fundamentally have the same contraints no matter how much juice you give them or how much you toy with the models.
Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by umanwizard on Monday April 14, 2025 @01:34PM (#43683897)
That’s not true. I’m a layman and 4.5 is obviously better than 4o for me, definitely enough to matter.
Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by henlobenlo on Monday April 14, 2025 @02:35PM (#43684588)
You are definitely not a layman if you know the difference between 4.5 and 4o. The average user thinks ai = openai = chatgpt.
Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by umanwizard on Monday April 14, 2025 @02:57PM (#43684808)
Well, okay, but I'm certainly not an expert who knows the fine differences between all the models available on chat.com. So I'm somewhere between your definition of "layman" and your definition of "expert" (as are, I suspect, most people on this forum).
Re:GPT-4.1 in the API by henlobenlo on Monday April 14, 2025 @09:03PM (#43687995)
If you know the difference between 4.5 and 4o, it'll take you 20 minutes max to figure out the theoretical differences between the other models, which is not bad for a highly technical emerging field.