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Re:A wild 'freakosystem' has been born in Hawaii by dodslaser on Tuesday April 08, 2025 @07:59AM (#43620664)
While this is technically correct, there is an important distinction to be made that we are the only species capable of even understanding the ramifications of our actions on an ecosystem, and choosing to change our behavior to have less (or more) of an impact on the environment we are in.

Any species could drive another species to extinction, or carry them from one location to another, but no other species are actively choosing to do so.

Re:A wild 'freakosystem' has been born in Hawaii by Ygg2 on Tuesday April 08, 2025 @08:08AM (#43620746)
What does "actively choosing" mean? An ant might choose to move the bugs they milk. Do they count?
Re:A wild 'freakosystem' has been born in Hawaii by haswell on Tuesday April 08, 2025 @08:16AM (#43620805)
I’d define this as: we consciously understand the potential and real consequences of our actions.

Ants operate on instinct and are not capable of extrapolating higher order consequences like we are.

Re:A wild 'freakosystem' has been born in Hawaii by devilbunny on Tuesday April 08, 2025 @03:41PM (#43625698)
Thinking of individual ants is really the wrong analogy; ant colonies are more like the organism. Your hands work on instinct too (just look at newborn babies; they can do very little, but they can grab things).
Re:A wild 'freakosystem' has been born in Hawaii by haswell on Tuesday April 08, 2025 @04:05PM (#43625909)
I don't think my response changes for a colony.

I'm not saying ants/ant colonies don't exhibit intelligent/sophisticated behavior, but we don't have evidence to suggest they understand the higher order consequences associated with where they build their colonies.

For similar reasons, we don't consider it murder when an apex predator kills a human, but we do when it's another human.

> Your hands work on instinct too

The operation of many (if not most) of the systems in our bodies is instinctual and a mystery to us from a 1st person perspective, e.g. we don't actively beat our hearts, digest our food, etc. But continuing the last point, if you used your hands to cause harm to another human, "my hands work on instinct" isn't a reasonable defense. We still have agency and the ability to choose how we use our hands, and we're (generally) aware of the consequences of the actions we facilitate with our hands, even if we aren't directly aware of how our hands function.

Re:A wild 'freakosystem' has been born in Hawaii by Biologist123 on Tuesday April 08, 2025 @08:40AM (#43621042)
Thanks, “actively choosing” assumes we have conscious will. Whilst widespread, this belief is alas just an assumption.