More importantly, expectations are higher when an automated system is driving the car. It is not sufficient if, in aggregate, self-driving cars have fewer accidents. If you lose a loved one in an accident where the accident could have been easily avoided if a human was driving, then you're not going to be mollified to hear that in aggregate, fewer people are being killed by self-driving cars! You'd be outraged to hear such a justification! The expectation therefore is that in each individual injury accident a human clearly could not have handled the situation any better. Self-driving cars have to be significantly better than humans to be accepted by society, and that means it has to have better-than-human levels of vision (which lidars provide).
Re:Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists...
by breadwinner on Sunday April 06, 2025 @12:30PM
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Cameras have poor dynamic range and can be easily blinded by bright surfaces. While it is true that humans do fine with only eyes, our eyes are significantly better than cameras.
Re:Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists...
by josephcsible on Sunday April 06, 2025 @02:44PM
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How many strangers' lives is a loved one's life worth? If your answer is anything other than "1", how does that square with other people having their own loved ones, and your loved ones being strangers to them?
Re:Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists...
by breadwinner on Sunday April 06, 2025 @03:04PM
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Don't understand your point. Everyone's life is important, which is why I said: the expectation is that in each individual injury accident a human clearly could not have handled the situation any better. It is insufficient for self-driving cars to be as safe as, or even slightly better than human drivers. Which is why, better-than-human sensors are needed.
Re:Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists...
by josephcsible on Sunday April 06, 2025 @03:50PM
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I'm saying that the only way "slightly better than human drivers" wouldn't be good enough is if some people's lives are worth more than others'.
Re:Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists...
by sudosysgen on Sunday April 06, 2025 @01:58PM
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I wish this myth would die. Anyone who picks up a camera would know that it isn't true, there are many things even very expensive cameras can't do that humans can. Specifically, the mix of high acuity when needed but wide angle, low-light movement performance, and tracking fast objects is something that only a camera system in the tens of thousands of dollars can do, and those are all relevant to driving.
So if your goal is to pump out $20k self driving cars, then you need cameras to be good enough. So the logic becomes "If humans can do it, so can cameras, otherwise we have no product, no promise."