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Re:Reasoning models don't always say what they think by OtherShrezzing on Thursday April 03, 2025 @04:30PM (#43574987)
>While I agree that LLMs are hardly sapient, it's very hard to make this argument without being able to pinpoint what a model of intelligence actually is.

Maybe so, but it's trivial to do the inverse, and pinpoint something that's not intelligent. I'm happy to state that an entity which has seen every game guide ever written, but still can't beat the first generation Pokemon is not intelligent.

This isn't the ceiling for intelligence. But it's a reasonable floor.

Re:Reasoning models don't always say what they think by 7h3kk1d on Thursday April 03, 2025 @04:45PM (#43575157)
There's sentient humans who can't beat the first generation pokemon games.
Re:Reasoning models don't always say what they think by antasvara on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:52PM (#43576854)
Is there a sentient human that has access to (and actually uses) all of the Pokémon game guides yet is incapable of beating Pokémon?

Because that's what an LLM is working with.

Re:Reasoning models don't always say what they think by 7h3kk1d on Friday April 04, 2025 @10:27AM (#43582937)
I'm quite sure my grandma could not. You can make the argument these people aren't intelligent but I think that's a contrived argument.