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Re:The Secret History of the War in Ukraine by s1artibartfast on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @01:47PM (#43559271)
Ukraine was literally part of the USSR at the start of the cold war, and a satellite state following the breakup.

It seems like this is a low point for Russia - a protracted hot war on what was previously its own turf.

Re:The Secret History of the War in Ukraine by dragonwriter on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @01:53PM (#43559331)
> It seems like this is a low point for Russia - a protracted hot war on what was previously its own turf.

That kind of “low point” is most of the history of the independent Russian Federation, given the first (1994-1996) and second (1999-2009) Chechen wars and the North Caucasus insurgency (2009-2017).

Re:The Secret History of the War in Ukraine by s1artibartfast on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @02:06PM (#43559503)
I dont disagree. The cold war has not gone well for the USSR and Russia. Thats why I think it is absurd to say it is winning.
Re:The Secret History of the War in Ukraine by philistine on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @02:12PM (#43559580)
There is this idea that the breakup of Russia and Ukraine was bloodless in 1991, but that a military response was inevitable from the petulant displeased Russian state. We managed to delay the fight, but it was kind of inevitable.
Re:The Secret History of the War in Ukraine by s1artibartfast on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @03:08PM (#43560327)
I don't think that is true at all, especially if the "we" is the west. This strikes me as some sort of savior complex.

How has NATO delayed bloodshed in Ukraine between 1991 and 2022?

Re:The Secret History of the War in Ukraine by philistine on Thursday April 03, 2025 @12:18PM (#43571931)
At first, Ukraine stayed firmly rooted in Russia's economical orbit. It's the slow inevitable lean towards Western Europe that enraged Russia.

NATO had nothing to do with it. It's economical.