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Re:Marine Le Pen banned from running in 2027 and given four-... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday April 01, 2025 @09:06AM (#43546349)
> It’s about people being able to vote to live in the kind of society they want. If people want to pull back on liberalism in certain areas that’s democratic.

Sure. And when the Athenians recalled Alcibiades [1] or put Socrates to death, that was democratic. I’m not arguing it’s not democratic. I’m arguing those were self-destructive acts that show the system didn’t work.

Note that I’m making a distinctly illiberal argument. In that, I dovetail with Trump’s supporters.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcibiades

Re:Marine Le Pen banned from running in 2027 and given four-... by rayiner on Tuesday April 01, 2025 @10:24AM (#43547145)
But the system worked! Immigration and the economy consistently rank as voters’ two key issues. On immigration, the decades-long elite consensus was for more immigration, including illegal immigration. But voters successfully defeated that elite consensus. They voted for mass deportations, got a guy who has started doing mass deportations, and as of the latest Yougov/CBS polling, overwhelmingly approve of Trump’s deportation program (58% approve, 42% oppose): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/opinion-poll-trump-economy-tari....

Voters being able to override elite consensus to effectuate change to make the country more like what they want is the system working!

Re:Marine Le Pen banned from running in 2027 and given four-... by pcwalton on Tuesday April 01, 2025 @12:54PM (#43548992)
I notice that you've retreated to cherry picking polls on specific issues now that Trump's overall approval rating according to poll aggregators is negative (in record time, in fact, with the exception of Trump's first term).
Re:Marine Le Pen banned from running in 2027 and given four-... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @02:45PM (#43560019)
> But the system worked! Immigration and the economy consistently rank as voters’ two key issues

If immigration were the only thing this administration were doing we wouldn’t be having this debate.

The system isn’t working. We’re deterministically heading towards a world where we’re poorer and less secure based on policies (tariffs on Europe, Canada and Mexico) and people (Lutnick, Hegseth) that weren’t ever brought up in the election. Even if that had been campaigned on, the fact that the majority chooses stupid policies is an indictment of electoral politics. If the system “working” leads to its own destruction, it doesn’t work.