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Re:United States Disappeared Tracker by palmotea on Monday March 31, 2025 @10:22AM (#43535397)
The term "disappeared" refers to someone who was kidnapped and murdered clandestinely and extra-judicially (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforced_disappearance). This website is tracking legally questionable deportation actions. Those are very much not the same.

So this tracker is misinformation, due to the misuse of language.

That doesn't mean these deportations aren't bad and wrong, it's that distinctions are important. It's the same issue if someone police organization decided to start calling everyone convicted of a crime (even a traffic violation) a murderer, so they could brag about how many murders they've caught.

Re:United States Disappeared Tracker by the_gastropod on Monday March 31, 2025 @02:30PM (#43538138)
The very first sentence in this wikipedia article:

> An enforced disappearance (or forced disappearance) is the secret abduction or imprisonment of a person with the support or acquiescence of a state followed by a refusal to acknowledge the person's fate or whereabouts with the intent of placing the victim outside the protection of the law

This sounds very much like what's happening, with maybe the exception of "refusal to acknowledge the person's fate". Is that your gripe? That we know they've been sent to a country outside the protection of the law?

Re:United States Disappeared Tracker by palmotea on Monday March 31, 2025 @03:09PM (#43538595)
> The very first sentence in this wikipedia article:

If you're going to lawyer from the Wikipedia article, don't selectively quote from it. There's the rest of that paragraph:

> Often, forced disappearance implies murder whereby a victim is abducted, may be illegally detained, and is often tortured during interrogation, ultimately killed, and the body disposed of secretly. The party committing the murder has plausible deniability as there is no evidence of the victim's death.

> This sounds very much like what's happening, with maybe the exception of "refusal to acknowledge the person's fate". Is that your gripe? That we know they've been sent to a country outside the protection of the law?

Where's the secrecy? There's literal court case about the Venezuelans sent to El Salvador. Where's the "refusal to acknowledge the person's fate or whereabouts"? They're in El Salvador or that Louisiana immigration detention center. But more importantly: where's the torture, where's the murder, where's the secret disposal of the bodies?

There's bad stuff going on here, but call a spade a spade, don't exaggerate it into a flame-throwing battle-axe.