That was the line 10 years ago that I heard, "You go to college to learn how to think logically."

Don't you think that if you haven't learned that at all by 18, you won't learn it in the next 4 years surrounded by equally ignorant kids?

But, speaking of the topic, how many colleges these days require courses in rhetoric?

I sat in on a bunch of college sophmore classes when I was 14 and 15, even wrote some of my friend's English papers for them, on books I had never even read. I wasn't impressed. And this was a "good state university" as someone else mentioned.