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Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by stephengillie on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:07PM (#4351996)
I would like to see a customer service/tech support org where customers have to enter their 2-factor PIN at a phone menu before reaching a human support agent. You could possibly combine that with caller ID for better verification - basically use phone # like a username and the PIN as password.

Or you could just use them alongside other verification steps.

Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by LoganCale on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:40PM (#4352170)
What if they've had their mobile phone stolen and can't do 2-factor auth and that's why they're calling?
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by laconian on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:56PM (#4352251)
Security traded for convenience, back to square one.
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by Wingman4l7 on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @07:05PM (#4352868)
Isn't this scenario why Gmail's 2-factor authorization gives you a set of one-time passwords?
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by ianferrel on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @07:28PM (#4352946)
What if you lose them?

At some point, there has to be a way to get back into your account. Probably, going through slow and hard to hack methods like the postal system.

Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by Wingman4l7 on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @08:28PM (#4353194)
Well, continuing to use Gmail as an example, there is an account recovery system, which IIRC asks for a bunch of details to try and determine if you are the account owner (account creation date, names of labels used, etc.) If Google or a third party would provide a list of these details, then you could collate that info as additional insurance against your posited scenario.
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by LoganCale on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @09:49PM (#4353449)
There's inevitably going to be someone who loses them or never prints them out in the first place.
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by jrockway on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:14PM (#4352637)
BofA does this for teller transactions. To talk to a teller, you have to swipe your debit card and type your PIN. While not foolproof, I think it's a pretty nice security measure.
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by Osiris on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:23PM (#4352687)
If you don't have your card with you, however, you can provide photo ID and they'll look up your account number. I suppose it would be possible to provide a forged photo ID to gain access to someone's account.
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by drewinglis on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:34PM (#4352126)
You would also need to enter your username or email address, though, and that's hard to do over the phone... I guess voice-to-text is improving, so that might be an option.
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by pavel_lishin on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:02PM (#4352285)
You don't have to actually enter your email address, you just have to prove that you know it - and telephones have the full alphanumeric set of characters on the keypad. Use a * or # for special characters, and something like "[email protected]" could be entered as "72835#547446#674".

Edit: I guess that may not be sufficient to identify you, but it could verify that you are the account holder for other services.

Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by djeikyb on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @07:48PM (#4353022)
My cell phone (Pantech 5000) has a qwerty keypad. It doesn't have the old rotary phone style letter-number association. I know many people whose phones don't have this.
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by einhverfr on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @12:17AM (#4353876)
Ok, but you can't do dtmf with querty, so its use in a call center is somewhat less important.

With standard numbers, you could use any touch tone phone.

Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by djeikyb on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @04:31AM (#4354523)
What I mean is the map of 2 to a,b,c is fading fast. I can't figure out how to dial 1-800-CALL-ATT by looking at my phone, much less my email address.
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by taligent on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:00PM (#4352577)
Some people have 20+ character long email.

You really think they are going to be happy about sitting around typing that in on their phone hoping they don't make a mistake ?

Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by ars on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @08:45PM (#4353247)
Voice to text works fine for limited input. So if all you needed was the letters of the alphabet (rather than words) it works pretty well.
Re:Amazon Quietly Closes Security Hole After Journalist’s De... by kellyhclay on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:46PM (#4352792)
GoDaddy essentially does this - but you have to give the human the PIN. Also, most banks do this as pointed out (fwiw, I bank with USAA and I have to call from a registered phone number and enter a pin before reaching a human.)