Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by shkkmo on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @10:26AM
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Being put on the sex offender registry happens after conviction. The comment you are responding to is talking about how unconvictable trumped up charges are used to scare people into taking pleas so your challenge doesn't make sense in context.
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by rafram on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @11:14AM
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OK, I would challenge you to find a single case, reported in the media, in which a defendant took a plea deal rather than face charges that included mandatory sex offender registration for nothing more than public urination. If that has ever happened, surely it would've been reported on at least once, right?
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by throwaway17_17 on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @12:05PM
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I am uniquely qualified to respond to your question in that over my career I have represented 4,000+ criminal defendants. It is incredibly common for defendants to take lower charges to avoid consequences. This is nearly uniformly true for sex offenses which require registration. While obviously not able to use individual client names, I can guarantee I have personally represented hundreds of defendants who pled to a felony obscenity charge to avoid to avoid registration as a sex offender.
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by rafram on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @12:12PM
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And were any of those for public urination alone, without any obscene intent at all? Just a guy peeing in the bushes because he can't find a bathroom?
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by throwaway17_17 on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @12:47PM
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My response was to the question about defendants pleading out to a lesser charges to avoid felonies. But, I have pled several defendants to charges based on public urination, both guilty as charged (typically to avoid a Habitual Offender enhancement) and to misdemeanor charges. In my state, Obscenity (which public urination is considered) is not a registration requiring offense, but it is in several other states, like Texas for example.
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by 6stringmerc on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @10:11AM
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Tarrant County. Mentally ill but competent to stand trial. I’m sure there’s more than one. Source: 1 year in lockup (solitary) with them, often criminal trespass or public urination charges.
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by rafram on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @11:11AM
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Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to a specific case?
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by MSFT_Edging on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @11:43AM
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This person's source is someone they spent a year in jail with.
Cases this small probably don't get articles written about them often. That's why we have the phrase "falling through the cracks"
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by rafram on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @12:34PM
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I do not think that this person is… all there: https://samhenrycliff.medium.com/when-a-gypsy-woman-loses-he...
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by JadeNB on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @12:32PM
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> Source: 1 year in lockup (solitary) with them
As someone whose main knowledge of the US prison system is only from TV and not from first person (thankfully), I think I don't understand what "solitary" is. I thought the whole point of it was that the detained person didn't have contact with others?
Re:In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Def...
by qingcharles on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @01:33PM
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I'll bite. It's a little bit more, but I knew a 19yo guy who flashed his girlfriend at a public swimming pool and is on the registry for life. Like most people on the registry he'll spend a significant portion of the rest of his life in and out of prison for minor violations of the registry[].
[] e.g., he was driving across country and stopped for a couple of days at a friend's house in Illinois. He was in a traffic stop and while talking to the cop, the cop realized he'd been in Illinois for over 72 hours and was given another prison sentence for failing to register.
People repeat this anecdote all the time, but I'd challenge you to find a single person who has ever been put on the sex offender registry for nothing more than public urination. (Let alone being charged with sexual assault, which is nonsensical -- look up how that crime is defined in US law.)