To be fair, the right has effectively captured the left. Any fool can see it now, even if somehow they couldn't prior to the past couple years.

You are implying that mainstream centre-left parties were somehow inherently different in the past when it came to issues like this?

And then of course actual (or especially far) left adopted authoritarian policies whenever they had any power regardless of any of their past rhetoric (conservatives are at least occasionally honest about what they want to do)

Because tech and society, like everything else, is inherently political. Backdoors, surveillance, control. These are things fascist and proto-fascist societies try to achieve. And they are thriving as of late.

Fascist behavior and actions aren't limited to the political right wing. Anyone can do it, you just choose to cherry pick the one you dislike under "fascism" and be OK with the fascist behavior that allies to your political views as being correct and justified.

Do you see any conservatives firebombing people's private property right now, or is it only the "tolerant left" doing it?

How much online free speech was censored under the leadership of the left in the years prior, all under the guise of "protecting free speech" and "creating safe spaces"?

One can abuse the "think of the children" emotional arguments to justify a lot of fascist totalitarian behavior and policies, all in the name of "good". Remember: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

> firebombing people's private property

So any destruction of private property due to political or ideological reasons is inherently "fascist"?

Anyway not that this justifies anything but wouldn't insurance pay for the destroyed Teslas? If so the terrorists are doing those people a service in an indirect since they would be able to buy a car they wouldn't have to be ashamed of driving anymore, so win-win (as long as nobody is harmed, there is no valuable stuff in the car etc.)

I can't believe HN became a platform where people openly justify, tolerate and promote terrorism. @dang, might want to look into it.

Please learn to recognize sarcasm.

And just to be clear, even if you are responding in a tongue in cheek way. One person is joking about damaging physical property, and you're joking about about sending that person to prison for 20 years for their sarcastic remark. Do you really think a Tesla is more valuable than a human life? Do you really think a low effort joke is more valuable than a human life?

What sarcasm?

In what way was I promoting or justifying anything?

I mean it's horrible if you car is destroyed by dumb and violent people (just burning lithium batteries makes it much worse, which IMHO is the greater crime but that's somewhat tangential) but if it doesn't affect you financial it's not a big deal and you are much less of a victim than the fire fighters who have to put out that fire.

Damage to property seems secondary and barely significant compared to uncontrolled burning of dangerous materials. Thinking otherwise is quite something...

> Fascist behavior and actions aren't limited to the political right wing.

Fascism is a right-wing political ideology, not a set of personal/non-governmental behaviors and actions.

So while this is a series of words that grammatically forms of a structurally valid sentence, it doesn't actually have any meaning.

It has a meaning. Fascist behaviour and actions are the behaviour and actions of fascists.

Vandalism by itself isn’t really a fascist action, so I’m not really sure what your point is.

However, it is my experience that people using the phrase “tolerant left” aren’t frequently interested in discussions grounded in reality.

People labeling everyone who disagrees with them as "fascists" or "right wing", aren't capable of any kind of discussion or rational thought.

It's my fault I got involved in the silly discussion in the first place since nobody starting a discussion with blaming "the right wing", is fully allright in the head. We closed down the asylums, and so they moved online.

> We closed down the asylums, and so they moved online.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_bla...

Why do you think they label everything they disagree with fascist, not just some things? You only have one example of a thing which they disagree with, and labeled fascist. You are arguing against something someone didn't actually say (a.k.a. a straw man).

now we have president and his apostoles publicly calling on journalists to be jailed. “free speech” for right means “only shit we want to hear” and for left means “you can’t really say shit that entices violence and is blatantly false” neither of course is “right” but as you initially stated this shouldn’t be political and then you proceeded to politicize it fully :)

fascist behaviour is right wing by definition.